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Title: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 08, 2008, 08:08:43 AM
I finally made it to the Erie Canal. Trailered from the Chesapeake to Buffalo, NY. Heading east then south. I will post some pic's when I get better internet connection. This is starting out to be a great trip.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: CapnK on July 08, 2008, 09:20:54 AM
James -

Awesome to hear that! Sounds like yer plan is working out. :)
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Joe Pyrat on July 08, 2008, 12:08:02 PM
When are you planning on making Key West?  I should be there sometime around November.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 08, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
Nov or Dec. Just need for the "H" season to pass over before getting into Fl.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Mr. Fixit on July 10, 2008, 07:12:56 AM
I expect to be on the canal late August-early September. I live near the canal -east end --if you need anything when you are passing thru send an e-mail
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Joe Pyrat on July 10, 2008, 08:51:54 AM
That's about when I expect to make it to Key West, See you there or maybe along the way somewhere.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: ronc98 on July 10, 2008, 11:07:14 AM
Fair winds.

Keep us updated.   This is a trip I want to also do.   The western edge of Lake Erie is about 90 miles north of me.  This would be a great way to spend a year.

Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: s/v Faith on July 11, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Discussion of Florida's "Sojourners permit" requirement for transient boats  split off here. (http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php?topic=1805.0)
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 12, 2008, 07:07:45 AM
No problem, I am in Medina NY now. As soon as I get a better internet connection I will post logs and Pics.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: newt on July 21, 2008, 11:54:45 AM
BTW, what were the requirements on height for your boat.  What is the lowest bridge? Could you sail any of the way in the canal, or is it all motoring?  Sounds like a fun trip to do.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 21, 2008, 01:58:45 PM
Lowest Bridge is 15 1/2 feet. Over 200 bridges. One 35 mile lake that the wind can really builds up short choppy waves in.

The Canal is down between a lot and very little wind comes down that far. Nice and flat. Motor trip all the way and more than likely the Hudson river as well.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 22, 2008, 08:36:09 PM
Putting in at the first ramp on Erie Canal
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First few feet of the Erie Canal going East
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Lots of ducks looking for handouts
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Better and deeper ramp a few miles west
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They now charge for the Erie Canal. Season pass for under 26 feet is $ 75
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Tied up to my first wall in Lockport, NY
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One set of the orginal 5 locks of the 1820's are there as a spill way.
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There is 2 locks here each one raises or drops 25 feet
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Tourist on weekends can be a few.
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What to do with an old boat
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Getting ready to lock through. spent 3 good days in Lockport.
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Lock Master, most are not this good looking.
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Good eats in town
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Nice farms on the canal
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The canal is wide enough to run Autopilot
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Geese
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signage
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Tie your cleats well, some towns they will get untied.
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Center mast support
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Stern, I can stand and steer with hitting the mast.
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Medina
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Joe Pyrat on July 22, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
Looks like you are having fun, great pictures.   :)
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on July 23, 2008, 04:23:43 AM
More on Medina
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Brockport, Just had to tie up to the 1950's Barge Cleats. Dockage is usually Free but I wanted Electic and showers and this town maintained them. Cost me $ 6 per night. Spent 3 days here.
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Tied up at the wall in Spencerport for lunch.
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: hearsejr on July 23, 2008, 01:29:02 PM
when you get to NC how about giving me a holler at [ph number removed per user request*]?
 
 Bill

* s/v Faith
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Shipscarver on July 23, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
Great pictures. Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 10, 2008, 02:15:14 PM
Erie Canal -
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Nice free dock with power, water and laundry, clock musum in town.
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Ducks +
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Interesting houses along the way -
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Paddleing for donations for summer camp for boys
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Said that they can do 12 mph
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Took a side trip to Lake Sinaca, here is lock 2 and 3 on the canal, Lock 2 is open.
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MacGregor 25 in Seneca Falls (a bit overrated)
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Lake Seneca, please note that the lake is long and can develope 5 foot very choppy seas with strong enough winds.
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Sailing
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The town of Montour Falls. I stayed at the marina at the end of the canal. This is a stinkpot Marina and R/V park. enough said.
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Town hall
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The Falls
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2 mile hiking/bike trail linking 2 the towns
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The Town of Geneva at the Northern end of the lake, You can see the free wall in the middle
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Notherern end of the lake with a North wind
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 10, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
You see all kinds of craft on the canal. Never talked to the owner.
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Tieing off my boat was easy as the beam and the stern was about the same. Real straight. I just tied onto the wench and warped around a wire, pile or wrope. Most of the time the boat just went down without any attention. Gloves are recommended and dock pole required.
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Nice town, Baldwinsville
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Free wall
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The first time that I have see wild swans.
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Turtles
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which way? I had to think about it.
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Sunrise tied to a lock wall
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Kids Playing
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Interesting church
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An MacGregor X found me in Brewerton and a local to!
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 10, 2008, 06:21:49 PM
Oneida Lake
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Lock your boat to the dock, sometimes they come untied!
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Mine, less than $ 20
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Restored 1901 tug, can be charted with crew. This is in Sylvan Beach.
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On the wall at Sylvian Beach with some new friends, about 100 people an hour come by to see your boat.
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Good for Kids
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A Morgan 28 locking through. Just a Gloved hand for this old salt.
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Little Falls, Nice Expensive Dock Wall
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VERRY pertty Town!!! Well worth the stop
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More duck babbies
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Lock 16, out in nowhere, well worth the quite stop.
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 11, 2008, 07:46:50 PM
Ft Pain, Nice little town, not to cruiser friendly, I should have an a bicycle.

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At lock 11, lots of train noise
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Water Skiing
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Old bridge still being used
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Older
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Nkice lock to tie up but when the wind picked up it was rough
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Sailing on the canal
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Rental canal boats. Most of these are at a marina and those marinas should have secure parking for a week or 2
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One of the many bridges that you have to go under
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This is a dam that is raised and you have to go under before lock 6. It always drips
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 11, 2008, 07:59:03 PM
All the locks leak a little (lock 6)
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Big boat dock lines
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Bird
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Locking through one of the last locks
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Interesting boat
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Lock 2, the last Lock on the Erie Canal.
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Locks open and you see the last 2 bridges on the canal.
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Waterford Free Dock. Has a Farmers Market on Sundays
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1800's locks now used as a spillway
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Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: dnice on August 26, 2008, 10:14:31 PM
You see all kinds of craft on the canal. Never talked to the owner.
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Isn't that the "African Queen" ???
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2711459840/tt0043265
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: rtbates on August 29, 2008, 03:45:54 PM
You see all kinds of craft on the canal. Never talked to the owner.
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Isn't that the "African Queen" ???
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2711459840/tt0043265


Nope. The African Queen is in Key Largo beside the Holiday Inn. Just visited it last month while staying at the Key Lime Sailing Club. Cottages and Catalinas 22 on Fla Bay.

Lynx:

Wonderful looking trip even if you did have to go mast down and motor the whole way. I assume you went out of your way to do this trip as you trailered your boat from the Chez north and then headed south?

Beautiful pics thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on August 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
thanks for the data on the boat. I did not know, must be a good copy.

It has been a very good trip. the Erie Canal with over 200 bridges is a mast down trip. Need to update thread but internet connections are not good. In the upper Chaz now.

What  a way getting used to cruising.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Marc on November 21, 2008, 06:06:22 AM
Hey Lynx,  What time of year did you do this and did you need pass ports?  Also do you think a 9.9 hp outboard would take you through.  How long did it take to go through and were you able to sail after you were out?  Lot's og qurstions but looks like an interesting trip.  Thank you Marc
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on November 24, 2008, 05:00:38 AM
I started in July and ended at the end of July. You could spend all summer on the Erie and not see and do everything.

10 hp would be fine. Crossing some of the lakes may be a wet ride but doabble.  No sailing, over 190 bridges to go under, 15 foot clearance.

Great Trip. take as long as you can, get out before winter. I am from the USA. All other countries will need passport to enter USA.

If you have more questions please ask.

I am in Key Largo, Fl now. bumming it in the Fl Keys this winter.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on January 13, 2010, 08:12:55 AM
From Troy NY down was easy. The Hudson River has a good flow both ways and trees and logs in it. Not a night time trip. I wish I had $ 1000 per week to explore. There is no free dinghy docks and poor anchorages along the way. I did stop at the end of the Hudson and go ashore for supplies and wait for good weather.
Going south you can either head into the NJ ICW or go to the Delaware River or into the Chesapeake Bay. Being an ultra-shallow draft I opt?ed for the NJ ICW. I left on a Sunday and went through the first inlet into the NJ ICW with Heavy traffic and extremely bad. The RR Bridge was the worse as only 1 boat could get through at a time. The Police was called out to direct boat traffic.  The NJ ICW is called the worse boating  on any ICW and they are proud of it. This is true. This was the end of the summer and  nice weather.  It took me about a week to get through the NJ ICW and the different guides are correct. The NC ICW has been opened North of Atlantic City but it is very shallow at low tide. Less than 3 feet and muddy. There is some good tides but you should plan. In the inlets you can expect 3 knot currents at peaks.

Going up the Hudson River is a day or 2 trip. Lots of crab traps in the shallows and big boats in the channel. I arrived at the mouth of the C and D Canal and spent the night in the Salem River. The next day I went down the C & D Canal. Interesting 1 day trip. If you can plan it try to catch the tidal current at 1 to 2 knots.

The Northern end of the Chesapeake Bay is nice. I stayed at Havre De Grace for 3 days. Fresh water river. The new public dock had just been completed. Fresh with tar and benches for the local to sit and watch your boat. Full of water grass. Shallow. Nice little town. The best things are 2 miles away. There is so much to see and do on the Chesapeake. I have found the guides to be correct. In all guides areas the shoaling was more. It took me about a week to make it down to Norfolk, Va  where I trailered my boat to Buffalo, NY.  It took me about 3 months for this loop. I wish I had planed to spend the 3 months doing the Erie Canal and then Trailered back. I am now broke and looking for work. Nothing in the Norfolk area and down the Coast looks about the same. Getting cold so I decide to head down to Jacksonville, Fl. The trip was about the same as going up except for the lack of bugs. It was cooler so I recommend that you plan this part of the trip with temps below 75 max.

I stayed in Jacksonville, Fl for2 weeks and did not find work. Nice and well worth the trip up the river. The river has a lot to offer and some plans to explore. 2 choices now, Warm and broke or Cold and Broke so I up?ed anchor and rushed down to the Fl Keys. Taking about 2 weeks. I still had my mast stepped.  I estimate that it saved me about 10 hrs not having to wait for the bridges. I made it to Key Largo and Stepped the mast. In early Dec ?08 I arrived in Marathon, Fl Boot Key Harbor and that month found work in Key West. In Mar I moved the boat to a marina in Key West.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on January 13, 2010, 08:17:54 AM
The End
My work lasted for 10 month. Not really paying the bills and many false promises. So I quit, got laid off or Fired (take your pick) and moved the boat back to Marathon, Fl. After looking for work in Marathon and not getting a Job I applied and took my old job back. Putting the boat back in the storage yard in Port Charlotte Fl,  The morning that I put the boat on the trailer  was the coldest that I had spend inside and had about 1/8 inch of frost on the deck after sunrise. 2 years and 3 months on the boat. A "Voyage of a lifetime" as many people has told me. Even after borrowing money for the relatives to stay alive, I had a great time with the classic ending. I am 52 now and glad that I took the time and money to voyage. Now back to work and another dream to fulfill.
A few things learned
Don'ts  
Don't Return to a place that you do not like.
Don't let someone else do the repairs.
Don't give advice in the Bahamas or in the USA to Business.
Don't expect to find a woman underway. Hang out in the Bars and beaches in Warm area?s.

DO'S
Have more than 24 gallons of water.
Have a Bicycle.
Plan 1 day underway and 3 days on the hook (that is me as I like to look around quite a bit)
Bring necessary things with you. Only expect to get things like fuel, food and oil ashore easily.
Take apart everything on your boat and motor that you can and get tools you need.
Do Go. Florida has a nice 750 mile loop through the Big lake, The Erie Canal would be very nice for 3 to 4 months as well as any bay or ??? Staying in the USA you do not need as much and it cost much less. Just get a used 22+ foot cabin boat with a good keel, clean her up, put a new motor and replace what else. Get a 3 Big anchors, Study well and go. I have met to many people who cannot do it after retirement.

Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: newt on January 13, 2010, 09:59:01 AM
Nice summary of your cruise Lynx.  i plan on making the great circle route with my compac. How long would you take if you started on the Platte, and ended in Chicago?
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on January 13, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
I would recommend that you take 2 to 3 years to complete the Loop. The USA GREAT LOOP is over 5000 miles and to do that you need to do 200 miles per week for 26 weeks. Not much time on our small boats to visit or get off.

Another option is to do part of it and the trailer to the other part and then trailer back. This can make it into a year or 1 1/2 year trip. Lots of time to play .

This will really get your feet wet for voyaging.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: CharlieJ on January 13, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
Sure wish we had known you were in Pt Charlotte. Tehani (and us) have been in Laishly Park Marina, right across th hwy 41 bridge, since Jan 3rd

we'll be dropping lines tomorrow, heading on south.

And yeah boy has it been a cold Jan so far- just crazy.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: newt on January 13, 2010, 10:02:06 PM
Really Lynx? That is a lot of miles. Is that going thru the Lake via Boca Grande-  or down by the keys. And the Atlantic side- do you mostly go offshore, or up through the ICW? Sounds like Mississippi during the fall, Florida during the winter, East coast during the spring and Erie and Great Lakes during the summer....
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on January 14, 2010, 05:40:35 AM
I believe the loop is 5000 miles any way you go if compleated. I suggest that you do not go against the Mississippi current and head to Floida first.

Outside can get really rough for small boats like ours. As long as gas milage is not a problem. The people that I have met the time was about the same unless there was a over long weather window or they had a 45+ boat.

I stayed inside due to weather.

I unloaded the boat in Bufflow NY and went down the east coast. There is a trawler form that has up-to-date in for for Loopers.

Your route is really up to you. If you have a crew and want to stay at different ports longer that I would suggest offshore and keep a good eye on the weather.

You can do the loop in a year, That is 100 miles per week. 2 days underway and 5 days anchored. Get the Bigger guide books and free anchorages guides.

I do like your plan.
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: unbusted67 on March 22, 2010, 09:43:59 AM
My girlfriend and I are planning a similar trip aboard our Blackwatch 24. We are either going to head down the Ohio from Pittsburgh or trailer her up to Erie and head East on Lake Erie and Ontario until we get to the canal and then un-step the mast and head South.

The canal route seems a lot cooler but I am a little bit nervous about heading out on the lakes. The cost of charts and everything else seems a bit prohibitive too. Does anyone have any ideas about a good middle ground? Is there somewhere near Oswego that we could put in for some day sails before dropping the stick and heading down the canals?
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Bubba the Pirate on March 28, 2010, 09:09:00 AM
Either late this Summer or next Spring, I plan to do some of the loop to get South.  I am leaning toward heading out the Erie Canal from the Great Lakes which would mess up the loop.  If the Asian Carp Issue closes the canal in Chicago, I may not have a choice. 

Thanks for the summary! 

Todd
Title: Re: Erie Canal east then south Key West FL
Post by: Lynx on March 28, 2010, 11:22:01 PM
Any of the fingure lakes on the Erie Cannal is great day sails. Of course you will need to unstep the mast. Event days are always crouwded.

I used gramin GPS Map with the charts for East coast. You can get the inland lake charts kit for inland USA waters. I do not know about Canada.