Hi. I'm building my Master piece right now! A heavydeplacement -kind of- C.Archer, It's going to be a globetrotter, safe and strong! I'm on a tight budget, so tips and clever solutions will be appariciated. I need your help to figure out the "Waterline". I know there's a Matematic calculation on this subject! But I dont know it! Maybe someone of you do??? It messures : 8 Meters x 3 meters wide and draft is about 1,6 Meters, not quite sure on the decplacement yet.
without knowing how much it weighs or what the hull form shape is, it is hard to say where the waterline will end up.
Yes thats right... about the weight and so... I have to consult a "Pro boat designer" to get all the parameters right!
I was just curious about the "Matematic/ calculation".
Adriftatsea... Do you know the formula for this subject?
sea water weighs 64 lbs per cubic foot. If you know the displacement of the vessel, you can roughly calculate the waterline, but you don't know the displacement yet...so there's no way to calculate the waterline position. You simple don't have enough information.
Quote from: evantica on February 23, 2010, 02:14:15 AM
Adriftatsea... Do you know the formula for this subject?
There is no "formula" for computing the waterline. It (such a formula) is different for each hull shape. It requires numerical calculation of the true hull shape in three dimensions to get the submerged volume as a function of waterline (whether the calculation is done with modern CAD tools or the old fashioned way using graph paper and the plan drawings is immaterial). To see this in practice, go to the Sail Calculator Page (http://image-ination.com/sailcalc.html), look up half a dozen or so
similar boats, and look at how different the lbs per inch metric are.
Depending on the hull shape, you MAY be able to roughly estimate it using a triangular prism or some such simple geometric figure as the volume 'generator.'
Here's a free volume of a submerged sphere simulator (http://www.dsbscience.com/download/VolSbmSph-10.zip) I wrote a few years ago. Even for a simple sphere (like a ball buoy), the function is a cubic.
Finally, you can try FreeShip (https://sourceforge.net/projects/freeship/), especially if you have or can find a ready plan file for your hull.
In short, there's a good reason why boat designers spend a lot of time in school and get paid decent money to calculate such design parameters as waterline and lbs per inch of submersion.
Lastly, perhaps the EASIEST way is to simply put the boat in calm water, trim her properly and mark the waterline. Haul the boat back out and paint it on. If you do this, mark it about every foot or so, so you can accurately spline the line.
Quote from: Captain Smollett on February 23, 2010, 09:38:53 AMIn short, there's a good reason why boat designers spend a lot of time in school and get paid decent money to calculate such design parameters as waterline and lbs per inch of submersion.
Lastly, perhaps the EASIEST way is to simply put the boat in calm water, trim her properly and mark the waterline. Haul the boat back out and paint it on. If you do this, mark it about every foot or so, so you can accurately spline the line.
Of course, this is much easier if the boat is nearly finished.... ;)
Quote from: AdriftAtSea on February 23, 2010, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Smollett on February 23, 2010, 09:38:53 AMIn short, there's a good reason why boat designers spend a lot of time in school and get paid decent money to calculate such design parameters as waterline and lbs per inch of submersion.
Lastly, perhaps the EASIEST way is to simply put the boat in calm water, trim her properly and mark the waterline. Haul the boat back out and paint it on. If you do this, mark it about every foot or so, so you can accurately spline the line.
Of course, this is much easier if the boat is nearly finished.... ;)
If it's not finished, then it's really easy... the waterline will be up there somewhere above the masthead!
;D
Thanks for -complex- answers! I realize this is complex stuff. Good I contacted a boat designer for all the important parameters! But I think it's kind of interesting also and I will try to learn more about this Boatdesign suject.
Another facinating thing is: How "they" messure/ calculate what sailing area nessecery for a vessel. To consider stabillity, Weight, and more... to get this right, sound like a whole lot of work... "It scares me" when the "bill" comes from the "boat designer" for my boat...
Have any of you used the "Gunther rigg"???
Quote from: Captain Smollett on February 23, 2010, 09:38:53 AM
In short, there's a good reason why boat designers spend a lot of time in school and get paid decent money to calculate such design parameters as waterline and lbs per inch of submersion.
Isn't that SO true. I've always been kinda amazed with all these sailors who buy a boat and then start doing alterations to it (adding bow sprit -changing the foretriangle for example). Boat design is a VERY complex process and why buy a specific design in the first place if it's so crappy (?) designed that an amateur could improve it?
don't get me wrong here, I am certainly not against amateur design in itself, what bemuse me is all the 'good old' boat designs you see in every marina that are 'modified' the most weird ways.... rarely making them better....
just my 2 cents
You know what is funny, but as I am getting into building sails, I am realizing that each boat on the water is a little different. I mean so much different that the best way to make sails is to measure the boat- because those measurements differ in the same model! Boats are still very much like their owners- each with personality. The modification process is almost endless.
I did a fatal mistake and asked some question on a Boatbuilding forum, and questioned if it really was that important with all the parameters... I was talking about the ol' Vikings and so, "they probably did not use any speciall parameters and so on.. went to sea anyway, and did well" (in most cases) Oh my God they went amok on the "site" and did not like me at all... I meant well but couldn't present it well so... This is a hot subject.
How about the "Gunther rigg" any of you???
A Gunter rig is great on a small boat. Lets you stow all the spars in less than the length of the boat. Could be workable on a larger vessel I suppose, but I've never seen one so rigged.
Quote from: CharlieJ on February 24, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
A Gunter rig is great on a small boat. Lets you stow all the spars in less than the length of the boat. Could be workable on a larger vessel I suppose, but I've never seen one so rigged.
Just talked to a guy here at the marina who used to sail a Drascombe with a Gunter rig...he said he's actually seen them mentioned on boats up to 40 feet.
He liked the rig, at least on his 18 footer.
Evantica,
First, congratulations on your progress. I looks like you are going to have quite the little ship there. I personally have neither the skill, nor the inclination to undertake such an endeavor. I sure do like seeing 'in process' pictures of the builds, and know that they are hard won photographs. I have been building a house for just over a year now and know how frustrating it can be to work all day long and look back and not be able to see real progress.
It looks like you have made some real progress, but it seems (to me, with the limits I expressed earlier) that you have a bit of a pickle. I see you need a reference point (water line) to level your interior on... but you can not do a float test to find one until you have more of the interior built.
Seems to me that you need some numbers from other Colin Archer designs that are floating on their lines. As John says, it is going to be very difficult (if not practically impossible) to come up with the numbers you are looking for 'by formula'. Numbers from other boats should get you close.
If your design is modified enough that this will not work, maybe you could make a 'temporary' bulkhead, build the decks, and float the hull to get your waterline... then build your interior once you have established "level".
Whatever you do, I wish you well. Thanks for sharing your progress with us, and I look forward to reading about your future progress.
Quote from: evantica on February 17, 2010, 04:34:11 AM
Hi. I'm building my Master piece right now! A heavydeplacement -kind of- C.Archer, It's going to be a globetrotter, safe and strong! I'm on a tight budget, so tips and clever solutions will be appariciated. I need your help to figure out the "Waterline". I know there's a Matematic calculation on this subject! But I dont know it! Maybe someone of you do??? It messures : 8 Meters x 3 meters wide and draft is about 1,6 Meters, not quite sure on the decplacement yet.
Hello Evantica!
I like your build and your blog!
I have no real knowledge so these are just my thoughts. As you seem to be building "on the go" so to speak and may need to simply do trial and error until you get the rigging, sailarea and such right, perhaps a junk rig could be a place to start.
Just put a mast and a large battened sail up and try. this way you can shift sailarea for or aft and reef a section at a time until you find what the boat seems to like. Then take those numbers and convert them to a cutter rig or what ever you want?
As for the waterline. Is it possible to patch up the "plug" and weigh it down for a floattest and get a rough estimate?
What was the plug by the way?
Thanks for kind words! Yes this is a real "treat" for me... I have contacteda designer to do all the messurments and so... A job much to difficult for me! I will keep you updated along the building process.
The plugg was a Lots kutter, a real go anywere boat! I did sail her and had confident in her, so that one og many reasons!
Fair winds friends...cpt. Hakan
A really interesting project Hakan. Goo idea to involve a professional too I would think. If it's a Pilot Cutter type. or Colin Archer type as you wrote somewhere, why not consider a gaff rigg?
Good luck with all that hard work! ;D
Hi there. The reason for not use a Gaff rigg is the complexity, If short handed! In other case I would! Like those ol' fashion, nostalgic looks C. Archer boats
I don't think a gaff rig would be a bad idea at all. The only place I think a marconi rig has a serious advantage is hard on the wind. Gaff sails are much simpler. There is a lower center of effort. The rig and hull stresses are smaller. Based on the tiny gaffer I used to sail, there are two halyard (throat and peak) for the main. By playing with the peak halyard you can drastically change the shape of the sail. If the wind suddenly picks up you can rapidly reduce sail (albeit in an ugly fashion) by releasing the peak halyard and scandalizing the main.
On an 8 meter boat I don't think you would have much difficulty handling the gaff rig, even single handed.
Besides, they look cool.
It's a matter of personal preference; but obviously I like them. If I were to build another boat, it would most likely be a gaffer.
Godot. This made me think again about the gaffer...hm...I will have to learn more about this differnt riggs.. ANy usefull link/site on the "gaffer subject"????
I also think they look cool ;)
There's a really good book called the Gaff Rig Handbook which has pretty much all you need to know of the rig.
I'm hardly an expert. My boat was a little 16 footer (19 overall) that I built a decade ago. But it was a lot of fun, and the rig, though miniature, was not at all difficult to handle. I made the sails out of a tarp like material. Flat cut. Very simple. There is no backstay, and it seems to me that the shrouds and stays in general do not need to be anywhere near as tight as they are on a marconi rig, saving stress on the hull. Like I said, at least the way I rigged it, there was only one additional halyard.
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v645/179/92/1126650131/n1126650131_30030956_3211.jpg)
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v645/179/92/1126650131/n1126650131_30030953_2458.jpg)
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FWIW, I sailed gaff-rigged catboats for about 16 years and found the rig easy to handle and very adaptable. As a bonus, my artist wife said she prefers the look of a gaffer to a Marconi rig.
--Joe
Godot. Nice little boat you built! Yes I lerning day by day about gaffers...
check out (if you like my personal blogg) www.evantica.blogg.se Theres a new clip from today kind of horrible "scary stuff"
Wow. Pretty crazy seas there at the end of the video!
Glad I don't have a keel that can take a wrap from the sea anchor - seeing as how that could sure complicate things, when you least want need it to!
Good to know he survived OK, after seeing those first pics of the boat covered in barneys...
Found some more info here: http://www.dommee.co.uk/news/#lostFootage
Grog for the find, Hakan!
Yes I'm also glad he was found and alive. what a seastate... :o horrible!
Anyhow more of nicer things, today my welded hull arrived at my place, (I've build it at my brothers place) so... now I can get serious building progress, first of all have to do a cradle for her...
And Grog on you to CaptnK or as we sometimes say in Swe "Skal for fan" ;D
(kind of "Cheers for the heck of it" :-\)
Finally comes the day when I'll buy my new "weldingmachine" tommorow, my lovely wifr will get me one :)... And I'll have to tell you the last couple of days I've been having a horrible toatache >:( >:( >:( :-X Will see the dentist also tommorow.. too bad I'm a bit scared :-\ soon I will start weld on my boat and one step nearer completion :P
yes the welder is home! :) bought another one twice as expensive but twice as good! And my darn toath is better!
Hi there Haidan! I like your "approach" to metal boat building = don't worry too much, and some clever solutions very good!
1st. The welder is not a Plasma cutter!
2. about the deck /cabin. I'm not sure yet, but will probably build it in Wood/ plastic I guess. I don't want to much weight that high up, will be with steel?!
Ihave looked inte those "Origamiboats" (those without frames just longitudinals?!) if so... Nice looking boats!
Get back to you-sailfar-when I've tried the welder properly.
All the best friend!!! Hakan from Swe
Heres a bit of thinking.. ??? what do you say about just weld where the steelplates meet and NOT put in Longitudunals here (red arrow) what do you think?
Thanks Haidan appriciate it! And what nic elooking boat you have!!! I will keep on with my project. Anymore usefull tip? let me know! Appriciate it! cpt. Hakan
just have to! A friend of mine in sweden have built this over a 10 year period. check it out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqNE3Ufil1U
Fatastic Haidan what a high speed :o I really think those/ yours "Ogami boats" is a beautiful design! Cpt. Hakan
Today I got her up on her keel...
After sometimes thinking I decided to do my own "Building blogg site" for you to follow, of you like?! Can find it here...http://evantica.blogspot.com/
like to hear your oppinion about it! ,,, yes in English
Hi there. at the end of April the boatdesigner will arrive and do the math of my voyager...Then I will "get down to buisness" And start welding and construct. now I'm just waiting, not much I can do :( But.... I want to know how to calculate mast dimension???
boat size: 8,3 x 3,2 x 1,5 meters ca: 5 ton. anyone? looking for a gaffcutter wooden mast, bowsprit, bom etc.
Here she is...(when ready)
Ah, you did decide on a gaff rig.
She's a beauty--especially with the tanbark sails.
Nice work!
--Joe
I have a real soft spot for "gaffers". They are awesome on a close reach to a run and can carry sail longer with the shorter mast/lower sailplan. Real pretty too ;) Great choice.
thanks friends :)
On saturday the boatdesigner will arrive, finally :) Then I seriously will get starting to build my ocean voyager
What a beauty! reminds me of Colin Archer and old Slocum's 'Spray' at the same time.
I admire the persistency and hard work it takes to build your own boat.
for my self, I simply consider that there are soooo many 'good 'ole' used boats at attractive prize on the market now...
I really hope to see you on the water in that vessel, my friend! ;D ;D
today the boatdesigner arrive and did all teh messuring! He was pleased by the look of her = I'm glad!!!
So the next chapter is ongoing...
so, the boat designer send me the drawings :)
My cape horner Evantica is going live for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtxushUOurE
Got the complete drawing from the boatdesigner...
my boatbuilding tread at: www.evantica.blogspot.com
Hi again! Can anyone tell me where to get a "glass dome" (?!) like Bernard Moitessier had on his "Joshua" , see pic's---
You'd probably want one made of acrylic. Check with your local acrylic vendors, as one may have a source for that.
ok?! Thought this came of "the shelf"...???
here's a great clip. looks like the same boat as Bernard Moitessiers "Joshua"?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR2gwVe-QR8
I've seen them advertised; but I don't currently have the link. I'll keep an eye out.
I do seem to recall reading an article on how to MAKE an acrylic dome. IIRC, you take a piece of plywood, cut out a hole in the middle (the same size as the dome you want), lay a piece of acrylic over the plywood, and heat (heat gun? Oven?). As the acrylic warms, it will start sinking into the hole, making a dome.
It's been a long time since I read the article, so it's possible I'm missing a key step; but I think I'm pretty close.
Godot. That article would be great... Will it be/stay in a "good shape" I wonder, (when heat gun it)
Quote from: evantica on May 05, 2010, 12:18:47 AM
Godot. That article would be great... Will it be/stay in a "good shape" I wonder, (when heat gun it)
It would likely stay in the shape you mold it to, the challenge is to get it smooth or even enough.
I have witnessed this method being used to make custom fit dodger windows, getting something like the shape you want is not bad.... getting the shape without the micro stress cracks (or burnt spots from holding the heat too close) was more of a problem.
IIRC, Lexan was much harder to work then plexi glass. Keep in mind that which ever of these materials you use are going to eventually scratch and cloud... you will be repeating the process every few years if you want a nice clear dome.
I know that Bernard Moitessier found this to be important gear... not too many out there in use any more. There might be something to that....
Sv Faith "There might be something to that...." Yhey can't find any ;D
I'll keep looking & thanks for post
Quote from: evantica on May 05, 2010, 10:15:35 AM
Sv Faith "There might be something to that...." Yhey can't find any ;D
I'll keep looking & thanks for post
I have a friend who is haunting marine salvage / consignment shops up and down the coast. If he sees something, what diameter are you looking for?
(I personally have never seen one in any of the shops I hit when I travel).
I used to work at Tiara Yachts, right next to the booth where they bent the ports. They put the lexan in an oven like a pizza oven, and when it was flexible they quickly moved it to a form and clamped it in shape. These were not bubble shapes, they were flat curves. The forms were wood covered with a type of carpet, very tight weave, not shag.
I have also worked where hot tubs were formed. The started with a flat piece of plastic over a mold, and an electric grid wire heater hanging above the plastic. The sides of the plastic were clamped to the mold. When the plastic got hot and started to hang, they hit a vacuum pump switch and it sucked the plastic into the mold.
I would not use a bubble. I would build a box hatch with windows.
(http://www.thesimplesailor.com/PYH1.JPG)
more pics here:
http://thesimplesailor.com/Endeavour%20II%20Gallery/Mingming=20Gallery1/
and here
http://www.thesimplesailor.com/index.html
Quote from: skylark on May 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
I used to work at Tiara Yachts, right next to the booth where they bent the ports. ....
I bet you are talking about one of the other Tiara plants then the one I visited in NC... but I have to say that was one impressive operation. Guy I knew who worked there used to get the 'cast offs' that they did not use... they would sell them to employees. He had some stainless hatches with minor scratches that he used to sell at marine flea markets for 200% profit over what he paid... deck fittings, stainless hardware (by the bucket)... all at the same mark up.
Of course I learned this as he was finding out they were closing the NC plant... he saw me fitting my new hatch and offered to sell me one that was the same size... for $50.
Turns out he had sold the last one at the flea market..... :-[
The Holland, MI plant, formerly S2 Yachts, also many employees from the Chris Craft plant across town that closed down.
I did found a Swedish acrylic manufactorer "Svepo plast" they can make me one.
Skylark. about "Ming ming" the little jester challenge boat. The reason for the "dome shaped" if hit by wave more "gentle" I think. "Ming mings" would probably go straight of?! purhapse I can do/ make one in smoother shape, but not as smooth as a "Cupol"
Thanks friends!
Some links that may (or may not) be of interest...
http://autospeed.com.au/cms/title_Custom-Bubble-Canopies/A_111051/article.html
http://www.toddscanopies.com/
http://www.wirthco.com/plastic-polycarbonate-dome-p-250-l-en.html (a little small, probably)
http://www.calplastics.com/custom/products.html?gclid=CIa82vXc2aECFRE95QodCE3mKg
For a custom dome try looking at companies that support the home built aircraft market. An issue of KitPlanes may have some useful advertisements.
Thanks a lot Godot, appriciate it. real helpfull! Thanks for taking the time!!! Today Iwas to install a Hydrovane, wind vane. My finger got caught in the "mecanism" darn it hurt, quite a heavy wind vane! >:(
Also a thought... Ronni James Dio died yesterday. What a gret voice and performer he was. R.I.P
building progress at: www.evantica.blogspot.com
Grog for posting the dome links - will be reading those - if I could find one just the right size, it would be worth it I think.
I'll pass on the smashed finger. OW! :)
And WRT Dio - wow. Makes me think - but, not as much as Ozzie does at the same news... ;)
yes. this is what "he" looks like ;D With birthday present from my Wife in hand.
(Yes just got home from work ;))
Evantica,
Those Moitessier books are classics.
And, I feel your pain: I was using my table saw yesterday--a very old belt-driven machine that I inherited when my father-in-law died 20 years ago--and the wood kicked back at me. Sliced one fingertip through the nail bed, but not the bone. Now I'll have to wait a week or so before getting back on the water.
Nope: I didn't take pictures, but believe me, it's not pretty. But it isn't serious either.
--Joe
Quote from: evantica on May 23, 2010, 08:25:22 AM
yes. this is what "he" looks like ;D With birthday present from my Wife in hand.
(Yes just got home from work ;))
Now that's great! It's so important that she is positive and 'in it' together with you
Yes you're right maxiswe. But it's been kind of a struggle. She is not that fancy about sailing. But we've been married for many long years now, she know's all about my plan. And she let me go sailing when ready. even circumnav. The plan is she will come and meet up in "where we deside" by airplane. but our children will have to "put on" some years still. I keep on build my voyager.
Maxiswe you sead: "There are many worth the money second hand boat now" and you wouldn't build a steel vessel?! I would say I feel more secure in a homebuilt steel vessel. And yes I prefer steel. and second hand steelboat in swe is not that sheap, specially if in order. to be conntinued...
And then why steel... I can tell you a story. A week ago I met a Danish couple. They told me: when sailing from Bermuda to the Azores they ran into a "Kaskelot" and broke their rudder and lost their forstay! this was a 37 foot Swedish Yacht (?!) The "only" thing that stop it from a disaster was, coz' of the bad weather they'd put on an "inner" forstay, so the mast wouldn't fall down on deck. But they fixed it and now live back in Denmark, after a couple of years in Westindies.
Yes this could happen a steel vessel to, and things do happen no matter what. But -for my self- want to get rid of this thinking (running into something at sea, at night) want a strong hull, that one of many reason! Take care...
www.evantica.blogspot.com
Welded some...
Looking good!
I'm the same way as you - probably overly-paranoid of hitting something that could puncture the hull. My option is to make the boat as unsinkable as possible, partly by having lots of small contained, seal-able areas that extend above the at-rest waterline as far as possible. It should help limit the amount of water that can get into the boat. That, along with massive bilge pumps, should help me put the sea back where it belongs if it ever sneaks in. :).
See your point, I thougt of some sealed 30x30 cm all the way around the boat, at the edge, just below the deck. Purhapse this will do the trick if "punctiured" hull? and keep her afolat?!
I keep on welding a slow but steady progress
Yes found a retailer in swe! for 300USD :)
Wow!
That looks like the navigator's dome from a WW II bomber.
Really kewl!
--Joe
As encouragement, this site has some pictures of a beautiful old steel sailboat:
http://www.arivaan.nl/verhuur/
Thanks Skylark for link!
Soon I will get to do the "coachroof"(?!) Need some suggestions from you. what kind do you think I should build?
1. My drawing
2. Falmouth cutter
3???
its an on going process :)
:)
(http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~aland/TRAVEL/images/SwedenNorway2005/NorwegianFishingBoat.jpg)
Is this your boat skylark? Do like the shape of it. But I do not fancy the doghouse, geat for fishing, but not for windy seas on open sea.
Now it's winter and cold again, don't like it at all! It take time to build a seavoyager... like a never ending project. But still being focused! Today there was an L32 (Like "MAxiSwe") on the swedish marked for less than 15000US dollar. I spent that kind of money on my project more or less = sad!
But I'll keep on struggeling so finnaly some day I get out to feel the rythem of the open sea!
Wish you all a merry christmas from very snowy Sweden!
Merry Christmas, Evantica!
Believe it or not, I've got a case of "snow envy."
Looks like another brown Christmas here in New England, and I'm jealous -- my in-laws are coming up north for the holidays, and my niece has never seen snow on the ground -- and she's not likely to see it this year either.
--Joe
Hi there friends...I'm back after some difficulties in life. I've sold my steel boat, But Now I've recently bought a fantastic Marieholm IF 26 ' And now my longdistance sailing is really in a future.
I'm so glad...I'm gonna preper "her" in a couple of years time, ANd can in meanwhile use her to get out on some cruising.
She like a folkboat in glasfiber, build in -67. longkeel and 2200kg. I'm thrilled.
I'd lost my "inlog" here, that why the new name "NTICA"...
Here she is, from the ad when I found her.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/10x8y7k.jpg)
Quote from: ntica on October 17, 2011, 03:19:06 AM
Hi there friends...I'm back after some difficulties in life.
Sorry to hear about the difficulties...hope they are worked out now.
That sure is a pretty boat..nice classic lines on the hull. Where's the mast?
Here's a video you might like:
http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php/topic,1414.msg37608.html#msg37608 :)
Hi And Thanks...The mast it's on its shelf (?!)... Soon winter in Swe so I'm gonna lift her up soon.
Thanks for tube clip... (like more of those.
Heres a pic of a german couple in ther marieholm IF, FIRA. mid atlantic. on there way to Carribean
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2sbpf2e.jpg)
On more Atlantic crossing pic' from "FIRA"
(http://i55.tinypic.com/i53dz5.jpg)
Welcome back, Ntica.
She looks like a lovely boat, and one that will take a lot less time and effort to make seaworthy (if she isn't already).
BTW, my last posting in this thread was about "snow envy."
In fact, we had one of the snowiest winters on record last year, and my niece from Florida, who had never seen snow before, got to make snow angels and use snowshoes while she visited us. We didn't have XC ski boots to fit her, so she missed that pleasure.
Best,
--Joe
Thanks Oldrig... Snow remainds me of frezzing and a whole lot of "wood chopping" the only heat source in our house infact.
longing for the "all around the year sun"...
and when my closet's just t-shirts and shorts ;)
for now...
Wellcome back Evantica!
I have also toyed with the idea of making an oceancruiser out of an IF so I will PM you an idea for an improved rigging that I found that was written by a guy whose boat is called Snowflake.
I think this is his daughters blogg and that he is not far from you.
http://ellekari.blogg.se/2011/may/snowflake.html (http://ellekari.blogg.se/2011/may/snowflake.html)
This is one serious IF!
(http://ellekari.blogg.se/images/2011/img_5336-52_146271415.jpg)
(http://ellekari.blogg.se/images/2011/gopr8527-2_161755248.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yseGfW44S60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yseGfW44S60)
Hej evantica! Nice to hear about your IF (Folkboat) I used to have one - probably the best sailing boat there is, albeit a bit 'smallish' in terms of below decks accomodation ;) ;D
It's been done, without too much moderations. I come to thinkof one that did the songle-hand Trans-Pac to Hawaii last year or so, and the Swede Anders Eriksson who sailed his IF to Brazil where he lives, to keep there as a 'play-around' boat. And don't forget the wooden Folkboat 'Jester' with it's Junk rig that did I don't remember how many OSTAR single-handed Transatlantic races.
Good luck with it! And remember.... all that happens to us in life, happens for a purpose! A while later, we'll come ut better and stronger and with more experience
Nice to know there's friends out there... makes me feel good! Snowflake was interesting, will check this up.
All the best you...
SeaHusky...I will PM you an idea for an improved rigging...Looking forward for the "PM"!
can also mail me
evantica@hotmail.se
PM sent twice but something won't work.
Email is on its way.
Got the mail! appriciate it...
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Pic. from today... dirty :o gonna lift her up this weekend.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/24w658z.jpg)
Tommorow saturday She will come up. Besides thi... A couple of weeks ago I was answering an Ad about a sailboat "give away" but I was #2.
But yesterday the man was calling me and sead it was mine :o for free :o Not that fancy boat, but with an engine and sail and compl. look at the pic.
"Karlskrona kryssare" is the name on htis type of boat here in Sweden. 25 feet. Think it looks like aTristan Jones (?)..hm... forgott the name. so the next week I'm gonna go and collekt her.
The best part is: Finnaly my realy bad luck is vanishing. Been trough heck and back, for so long. But since my new IF Folkboat things get lighter!
Just wanna let you all know!
(http://i42.tinypic.com/zoat5v.jpg)
Looks like a nice boat! Free! ;D
Sea Dart ;) Tristan Jones look a like ;D
Great boat, congratulations!
I can take care of your surplus IF for you. ;)
That boat looks very seaworthy. Now you've got a fleet!
BTW, is she wood or fiberglass.
In any case, best of luck, Admiral!
--Joe
That sure is a purty bote. ;)
Forget the trials of 'singlehanding,' you now must write the definitive article on "half handing" (sailing two boats at once). ;D
Glad to hear things are turning around for you. Enjoy a grog.
Thats a clean boat for free. Nice score!
I don't know what you plan to do with them, you probably haven't had time to think it through, but here is a picture for you...
The Karlskrona will be your nice, beautiful weekendsailor :) with classic looks and all wood interior.
You can then be completely ruthless in turning the IF into a Roger Taylor style, unsinkable, stormproof, go anywhere oceanracer! 8)
Thanks for comment. And yes the Karskrona is made in Wood. I don't know what I shall do with it yet? mabe restore and sell?
I want to ask all of you what you think about this. It's kind of wierd ::)
My long lasting badluck is gone, I can feel it, eversince I got hold of my new IF boat. (and here's the story)
When I was about 18 years old, I met my "big one" a girl! We were deeply in love and soon we move together in an apartment, We did allkinds of crazy stuff and a whole lot of fun. Life was good.
Marie tragically died at the age of 25, we were seperated at the time but still connected. My Boat mod. is a MarieHOLM (if) from -67. Marie was born 1967. I paid 25.000:- skr. 25 was Marie when she died. My sail nr. is S-46. 46 is my age today. And Marie and I shared the same lastname: HOLMstrom.
Almost unreal. Maybe I'm sensitiv or someone is telling me something? I feel deeply connected to my IF. And will keep "her" for the rest of my life!
Quote from: ntica on October 29, 2011, 03:26:29 PM
When I was about 18 years old, I met my "big one" a girl! We were deeply in love and soon we move together in an apartment, We did allkinds of crazy stuff and a whole lot of fun. Life was good.
Marie tragically died at the age of 25, we were seperated at the time but still connected. My Boat mod. is a MarieHOLM (if) from -67. Marie was born 1967. I paid 25.000:- skr. 25 was Marie when she died. My sail nr. is S-46. 46 is my age today. And Marie and I shared the same lastname: HOLMstrom.
Almost unreal. Maybe I'm sensitiv or someone is telling me something? I feel deeply connected to my IF. And will keep "her" for the rest of my life!
Beautiful. :)
That's nice!
That was a really good price for an IF, even here in Sweden. Is there a lot to fix or did you just get a good deal?
Some more pics of her would be nice.
Yes it was a good price. He had to get rid of her, He has bought a new boat, a bigger one 39'.Helmsman. And he had sailed her maybe 10 times since -98. She is in good shape. dirty and left in the water for 2 seasons, winter time. But I got her up yesterday and she's looking fine. Gonna start with some washing up. And see to all the "things" and get her ready for an earley season 2012.
God Im happy ;D
Get some pic's soon for you.
Here's a pic of how she use to look = a beauty :)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/xfayl4.jpg)
Wow! Now thats a nice looking boat. Planning to return her to former glory?
QuoteI want to ask all of you what you think about this.
First, sympathy for your tragic loss those years ago.
It certainly
does seem remarkably serendipitous, and an affirmation that you and your ideal boat have found each other. :)
-Jim
Tanx friends for positive feedback. And yes I will get her back to former glory!
I found an IF located in Tonga. a Swede bought her in California and sailed...
He'd done some improvments, smaller "windows" (?!)
and the "rostjarn" = where the rigging is attached to the hull. seem like a good ide?
collectibles from "karlskrona kryssaren"... (the freebee boat)
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here's a pic from the otherday, onboard the "Karskrona kryssaren"
So how is the gifted boat?
Sailable?
Seaworthy?
Clean enough to spend a night on?
pics?
the freeboat was in a sad shape. halffull of water, and in a sad state. I don't feel for a refit of her. but there was a whole lot of nice items. the sails,ok.
2 outboard engines, one electric working engine, the other 6hp Suzuki need a renovation. anchor. and more...So Im pleased.
I can sell some of it and keep what I can use on my IF boat "Ntica"
Are you going to name you're IF "Ntica"?
A tip I got is to name the boat something that can be easily understood buy a foreigner on a bad VHF connection when you are a bit stressed.
Or practice saying NovemberTangoIndiaCharlieAlfa really fast. ;D
Hi. No I'm not quite sure what to call her??? maybe you could give me some suggestions? (I actually been thinking of this for a while!) and to name her has to be just perfect. so com'on friends...
Quote from: ntica on November 15, 2011, 01:25:54 PM
Hi. No I'm not quite sure what to call her??? maybe you could give me some suggestions? (I actually been thinking of this for a while!) and to name her has to be just perfect. so com'on friends...
I do know what i "should " call her... ( but I'm married and can not name her
Marie II)
As far as I think I know you, how about the "Cape"?
yes sea husky, You kind of know me ;) "cape" is a great name, as I allways have "fancy" cape Horn, for some reasons?! hm...
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more oic from today...Love the way she looks :)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/34gv7lf.jpg)
was talking to seahusky. sead he couldnt see my pic's here? anyoneelse have this problem?
They work on my workcomputer but not at home. I have no Idea why.
How about "Celest" ::)
Quote from: ntica on November 21, 2011, 12:46:01 PM
How about "Celest" ::)
For a boat name? I like it...very pretty. More so if the name has personal meaning for you.
Your pictures are showing fine on this end, by the way.
Quote from: ntica on November 21, 2011, 12:46:01 PM
How about "Celest" ::)
Wonderful name. In English (and French) it is usually spelled "Celeste." But your version might be the Swedish spelling.
Go for it!
--Joe
Hi. "Celest" seem like a good name for me and my partner :)
DO anyone live near by "ANNAPOLIS"???
"CELESTE" :)
I want to tell you that. There's an Aries for sale in US for 500 USD. needs to rebuild. cheap anyhow, I would have bought it but it's to complicated, the seller don't want any p&P. just cash money when picked up... so I let you in on it. If someone interested let me know and I provide you with adress and phone nr.
Quote from: ntica on November 23, 2011, 01:27:49 AM
Hi. "Celest" seem like a good name for me and my partner :)
DO anyone live near by "ANNAPOLIS"???
I'm nearby in Baltimore. Auspicious is in Annapolis. There might be others, too (it's a big sailing town, after all).
Godot. The thing is. The seller want cash money when collecting the Windvane. I could not transfer or wiring the money to him. And he wouldn't p & P it for me either so, I must let it go.
I spoke to the seller of my IF today. He told me "she" was already named...
"MORITO"... I'm kind of little supoctisious ??? Never change a boat name?!
In Latin - English : wed, marry.
I am not a superstitious person and I refuse to bring superstition on to my boat as it negative psychology instead of positive.
However we are all different and some like to uphold these seafaring traditions so luckily there is a way to safely rename your boat!
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/rename.htm (http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/rename.htm)
But there is no real superstition about renaming a boat...I don't know where that started, but it seems blown way out of proportion.
Don't sail on a Friday goes WAY back...with a long tradition. Right foot forward...long tradition.
Renaming?
Not really.
The sailing navies used to rename vessels upon capture and never blinked twice about doing it. Some vessels would have numerous names during their service lives if they were captured back and forth.
In contrast, I think it is important to have a name for YOUR boat that is meaningful TO YOU...not necessarily that of the last owner. If you like, and feel connected, to her current name - cool. But if not, make her yours.
And don't sweat it.
To add to Capt. Smollett's comment about the naming superstition, I've only found one real reference to it... and that involved renaming combat ships during a time of war and their subsequent sinking. I don't know of any other references to that being a "problem" except during WW2. But it wouldn't take many renamed sinkings to cause an awful lot of sailors to start to worry about it.
I think you can safely rename your vessel to a name that suits both you and the vessel. Although a suitably dignified renaming ceremony would surely be in order!
Yes I think you are right, all of you! And it's my boat, And the name on her is important to me so...Celeste it will be!
I try to always use positive psychology as taught by Bjelke and Shapiro http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html (http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html)
Not "mustn't fall overboard" instead "must stay on board". Leads to action, not passivity.
Don't look for signs that mean bad luck, instead "Look, a dolphin. That's good luck!
Quote from: SeaHusky on November 28, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
I try to always use positive psychology as taught by Bjelke and Shapiro http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html (http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html)
Not "mustn't fall overboard" instead "must stay on board". Leads to action, not passivity.
Don't look for signs that mean bad luck, instead "Look, a dolphin. That's good luck!
Grog for that point, and also for the link...another excellent sailing couple. My first exposure to them was reading about their sailing to Antarctica!
My furler (right word?) is beneth the deck... When using, I will have to set the head sail "flying" (A wire in the sail)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/r9297k.jpg)
Ntica, there is someone giving away a Hurly 20!
Like to see if your luck is still good? ;D
Sea Husky... thanks but no thanks...I have enough boats ;D. I will lay my strenght on Celeste.
Today I met a new friend in Malmoe, Limhamn. I had some boat gear he needed and viceversa. I got my self a nice pulpit, some wire, an oar from a windvane :) (the down piece) And he hold 8 pieces of Rutgersson "vant-screws" brand new (don't know the english word!) for me. No money involved just tradeing :) :) :)
SO my good luck is on going....and I'm happy, and life's smiles at me :D
for now... (or when I'm winning the lottery ;D)
Some nice photo in the dark winter time. Love this photo from "Atom sailing"
(hope it's ok i use it?!)
I just found this clip. They seem to have gone straight from dinghy racing to IF sailing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk6fl_s75d0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk6fl_s75d0)
You need to add a trapeze to Celeste! ;D
Thanks Sea Husky... nice action footage. But why not a couple of reefs :P About the trapeze... ;D don't think so. But surely a nice feeling.
Some more pictures of "Snowflake" here http://ellekari.blogg.se/category/pipaluk.html (http://ellekari.blogg.se/category/pipaluk.html)
I like the way (I think) he has solved the "outboard in the lazaret" problem. It looks like he has just mounted the outboard mount on the forward bulkhead of the lazaret instead of on the transom and made a modified opening that does not take in water when heeled over like the original does.
(http://ellekari.blogg.se/images/2011/img_6111-3_174878897.jpg)
Thanks Sea Husky, do like the look of snowflake. Gonna make me a simular "spryhood" soon. where do you "see" this outboard well??? I've checked the blog. but nothing?
I'm also in the planning stage of building a battery-bank, and close to center off boat, and deep down. How many battery's would be enough (Voltage/amp)??? how many do "you" use. Thinking longer crossings. solpanels, generator, both?
It would be wise to be able to do some repairs on the sea if needed. electricity.
stove, cabin lamps = kerosene.
I don't see as much as imagine!
On the pictures you can see the outboard sticking out above the waterline at an angle and a cut out that will allow it to pivot down to vertical and below the waterline. I can imagine that a standard "lift and tilt" mount is mounted inside the lazaret just the same as it is on the transom, only further forward.
Quote from: ntica on December 13, 2011, 04:25:27 AM
How many battery's would be enough (Voltage/amp)??? how many do "you" use. Thinking longer crossings. solpanels, generator, both?
It would be wise to be able to do some repairs on the sea if needed. electricity.
We've had several discussions on this topic. One of them is here (http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php/topic,3401.0.html) and another here. (http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php/topic,33.0.html)
I think there might be additional threads.
For my part, I went into answering this question in the opposite direction that most seem to do. Most start with everything they want to power, then build a battery bank and charging system around that.
I did it the other way. I started with my charging options, then took a hard look at the energy budget I could even hope to realistically maintain with that charging.
I REALLY like the idea of towed generators, but they are not without their problems. I may end up with one some day, but I've decided that the 'core' of my charging system, the most reliable it seems, is solar (with a big enough bank and low enough budget to flatten out the non-sunny days).
Good luck...electricity threads are almost as much fun as anchoring threads! ;D
Happens that I JUST day before yesterday lay to a dock where I could plug in a battery charger, fir the third time in 2 1/2 years aboard.
Single 32 watt solar panel and single grp 27, 100 amp battery.
Runs lights (interior and anchor all LED), radio, depth sounder when I need it, tiller pilot, etc. Recharges my phone too.
Of course I'm really frugal on usage too. I go to bed at dark and get up at day light.
Oh- and it took five days of zero sun to run the battery down that low.
check this one out. an IF sailing...
http://www.ifboat.com/_medlem/segling_061216_s2.wmv
Went to my local scrap-yard today, got my self some stainleess steel (RF) to make new chain plates. like this...
Like we used to say in the military "When in doubt, overload!" ;)
Ntica, I know you are a metalworker. Are you also proficient in welding stainless and such?
There should be a market for custom made, oceanproof fittings and mounts.
seahusky... yes would like to say I can weld stainless and such..done some stainless welding on a couple of boats in Malmoe and Helsingborg. The "Malmoe" boat went of to the carribean. I weld only, with a "pin" mma?! the ol' scool welding. Not mig/mag with confidence.
and I also got a new dvd today called "vintersegling" /wintersailing, a Swedish couple sailed to Antarctica and overwintered there, real nice footage. recommended.
the boat is called "Northern light".
Then why not try to make a windvane selfsteering out of plywood and when it works well just weld it from stainless. I'd buy one. ;)
I did some"stickwelding", or what you call it in english, during army diver training. It works perfectly well under water. Just don't get between the handle and whatever you are welding... ::)
http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html (http://www.northernlightsail.se/northern_light.html)
I have that book and I am currently reading their latest book about their trip around the islands of the southern ocean. It was planned as a three year voyage but took ten! Wonderful stuff! I wonder if they will sell "Big Red" now that they have gone ashore?
windvane...it's in the "gearbox" where the difficulties have to be solved. No problem to get a vane to steer. But It have to steer with damping effects, and not to much and so. I have 2 prototypes laying around here. one in plastic tubing, one made out of a bicycle ;D I also hve the down piece and oar from a windpilot atalantik, the older one (the same as "Thoya" have mounted).
(sea husky... If you see the ad somewhere (sweden) there was the top piece for sale to an Atlantik windpilot... but can't seem to find it again?! let me know)
And A merry christmas to all of you sailfar'er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doghouse...projekt. On my back yard I had this "hood"... like the one on the pic' I will cut it to fit nad then plast it together. what do you think?
here's onther build...http://thallatha.blogspot.com/2011/01/doghouse.html
I have no experience in using these materials but how much weight will it add to the top of the boat if you make it "knock down proof" (KDP) out of just GRP? Have you considered making it out of a sandwich laminate with a divinycell core?
It would be both stronger and lighter and also insulated against condensation if you make the doghouse fully enclosed.
there is some divinycell kind of inlays in the hood Iam using (not the one in the picture, just a simular one) and the weight will not affect the boat, it's light weight grp! I will get back with some pictures. the hard part is to make it "slick", nice looking too. strong and keep me out of the water spray or most of it!
testing my new camera...
I was walking through a marina today, checking on some boats after the "Christmas day storm". Suddenly there is an IF, so very small in comparison to the other "normal" boats but oh so graceful! Everything else just looks clumsy and ugly in comparison!
Merry Christmas my friend!
Thanks my friend and "God forts?ttning" on you to...
new chainplates for Celeste...
They look strong enough!
While you are at it, how about a couple extra for the stern to attach the sea anchor to?
New years evning...my 2 youngest is out with some fire crackers...My wife is going to work soon. so home alone with my kids tonight and some movie watching.
My mind is ocuppied with my sailing plans... so to all of you A Happy new year. and looking forward to a great 2012!
The Major renovation has begun! (still no snow, like it :D)
And...I have decided to build a windvane, the older type like "windpilot Atlantic". Found some pieces. would appriciate some advise on the "cogwheels" and maybe some drawings/ links.
Please check your e-mail.
--Joe
For some time I have checked the eletric outborders...and I've found this-the first real outboarder-with enough HK's. what do you think???
I've never used the Torqueedo, because it's just too expensive, but I've read lots of reviews of this innovative, rechargeable outboard, many written by writers I know and respect personally. All say that it's a great product, compensating for low horsepower with high torque.
--Joe
I'm gonna need a new/better engine in a near future. so tired of those "neverstarting" petrol engines. the silence is another hugh benefit. but expensive...perhapse someone second hand be avialable?!
(still no snow, and still not on the +-0 celsius ;D)
I hadn't seen this product before but it looks good. I can't find any price for the cruise model but the travel model is neither heavier nor more expensive then an equivalent fourstroke.
If you just want to get into, or out of, a harbour or get home on time they may be great but if you ever want to go up a river or a canal then runtime is just to limited. Also there may be a problem if you are limited to solarpanels or a windgenerator for charging.
I think they are the future and have many benefits but personally I would wait 5 years and let others pay for development and ironing out the kinks.
But I do think they've allready sort things out, and they're realible today?! there are quite some serious test's done. and seen in the "diagram" the can lev. some good HP's... the downside is offcourse the price. from 2000 usd - 3800 usd here in Sweden. for the more serious crusing models. The charging is something to workout, and maybe an x-tra battery. lithium batt is far better than a traditionall "car battery" and much stronger...
If you take a look at the picture you posted earlier, the readout for "Remaining range" was 11.3 nm...at 85% battery. :o
The problem if planning to use as 'cruising propulsion' is a mixture of storage capacity, charging and available range.
It all depends on how you plan to use it. In/out of a slip, zipping around a harbor, etc, looks pretty good. But it's NOT a drop-in replacement for a regular engine if you plan to 'need' to motor 'long distances.'
To put this into perspective, this would not even have gotten me halfway to the boatyard where my boat is now on a single charge. How much charging capacity would I have to carry to replenish and continue on?
It's just not practical for some locations/styles of boating.
Look at how all new technologies drop in price by 50% in just two or three years while at the same time getting better performance. Batteries especially are getting better performance every month. Solarpanels are better each year. I would wait and let the whole concept evolve at someone else's expense.
Use whatever old outboard you have and maybe a cheap electric trolling engine as well if you want to explore the concept and use the money for good safety gear.
You're both right! It will not last for many NM, expensive yes. And maybe it's wise to whait a couple of years for development and price dump.
But one of my thought is: Don't like the idea of carrying many litres of petrol in my boat = hazardous, fire etc. second: I'm not in a hurry while at sea, If all heck breaks loose I will have to battened down and try to ride it out instead. with Jordan drogue, para anchor if nessecery. (any do it your self Jordan's on Sail'far?)
"The quietness...nonsmoking...neverstarting >:( will be a memory with an eletric.
cpt smollet... "Remaining range" was 11.3 nm...at 85% battery. :o
I think this is at high speed,(4,5 kn) non crusing speed. and I dare to say this is not the new 2011 "lithium battery"... but even so it will never last as long as a petrol engine.
I want to share you this pic with you. my former, old Ocean farer... (My daughter found an old pic of "her") Can you guess what boat model she is ;D
picture from the late 1990ties i guess?!... I put down a whole lot of work into her.
Moroline, maybe? Looks like the 506 model...
;D
(Actually bears more than just a passing resemblance to an Albin Vega, from what I can see.)
It was a Golif Jog 20 footer...
2012 the renovation is on going...
A friend of mine cruised a Golif 20-footer (after some reinforcements) for +20 years with his wife. From Sweden to the Caribbean and Venezuela etc. Even did sail an canvas repairs for other crusers onboard on a sewing machne in the v-berth area.
Hey, it's a French boat, right?! ;D ;) ;D
Yes Maxiswe. I've seen this Golif once...some pic's from the carrabean.
I'm almost on dayli' basis preparing my Celeste... great when its not cold and snowy. My new echo sounder it's on it's way...
I didn't find the "heater" thread.. so here is an excelent heater from the great TOPLICHT in Germany. http://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/ofen-herd-und-kocher/feststoffofen/schiffsofen-hot-pot-aus-gusseisen
classic stuff. nice ;D
Today I sew' some interior _ _ _ _ _ _ ???
Took my hard earned money (also today) and bought a GPS... a winter price!
Quote from: ntica on January 26, 2012, 11:58:45 AM
Today I sew' some interior _ _ _ _ _ _ ???
There you go! Just make a JSD while you are at it. :)
Quote from: ntica on January 26, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: SeaHusky on January 26, 2012, 12:13:20 PM
Quote from: ntica on January 26, 2012, 11:58:45 AM
Today I sew' some interior _ _ _ _ _ _ ???
There you go! Just make a JSD while you are at it. :)
JSD ???
http://www.jordanseriesdrogue.com/ (http://www.jordanseriesdrogue.com/)
And try to smile! It can?t have been that expensive. ;D
oki... I've allready checked out this Jordan drogue... expensive around 800usd. but I will get this too in a near future ;)
Quote from: ntica on January 27, 2012, 02:22:03 AM
oki... I've allready checked out this Jordan drogue... expensive around 800usd. but I will get this too in a near future ;)
Maybe this instead?
http://www.landfallnavigation.com/fiorentino.html
Price on next page after you choose the model......
Quote from: ntica on January 27, 2012, 02:22:03 AM
oki... I've allready checked out this Jordan drogue... expensive around 800usd. but I will get this too in a near future ;)
I meant that with your capability with the sewingmachine you could make one for yourself at a low cost.
By the way, how is the work on the hard dodger? I am very interested in how your "voyager" is turning out.
Thanks for the link tip rorik.My dodger/doghouse, sprayhood is still on the "try to solve base", not that easy, but working on it! I have rebuilt my interior a bit, a new mast support, a tried differnt cart table solutions... I need a new stove/cooker. I'll go for the Origo 1500. tomorow morning ( real earley :P) I go and collect my new anchor....? it's a royal loftans manuell. I feel I've spent some money on gear...but it's nessecery-I think-?! I also got my hands on a Rutland windgenerator, will get this in april. updat pic soon...
And have too say: "I love my life today" :D
Hi there (again ;D) I need your expertice..of how to install my anchor chain windlass. I'm sure I'm going to need some reinforcement below/above deck?!
the chain I will lead down through a pipe to the bottom of the boat.
what is a resoable length of the chain?
The windlass weight is 9 Kilogram...need instalation tips, please! ???
pictures,links suggestions would be appricated
Quote from: rorik on January 27, 2012, 03:41:20 AM
Quote from: ntica on January 27, 2012, 02:22:03 AM
oki... I've allready checked out this Jordan drogue... expensive around 800usd. but I will get this too in a near future ;)
Maybe this instead?
http://www.landfallnavigation.com/fiorentino.html
Price on next page after you choose the model......
Got a e-mail from "mark" at landfall... "Do not ship to sweden for orders under 1000usd" Can't do the 1000usd...
Quote from: ntica on January 28, 2012, 12:46:39 PM
Hi there (again ;D) I need your expertice..of how to install my anchor chain windlass. I'm sure I'm going to need some reinforcement below/above deck?!
the chain I will lead down through a pipe to the bottom of the boat.
what is a resoable length of the chain?
The windlass weight is 9 Kilogram...need instalation tips, please! ???
pictures,links suggestions would be appricated
I solved the installation problem...
Well what sort of backing did you decide upon? I have the same windlass, I just figured I would use some beefy big washers on the backside...
Quote from: s/v necessity on January 31, 2012, 04:56:50 AM
Well what sort of backing did you decide upon? I have the same windlass, I just figured I would use some beefy big washers on the backside...
Hi. Im going to place it on a Teakbed/board above deck, and a bigger underneath deck, and blot it togehter. this will be strong enough I guess. Will also get a "running-trough" for the chain, down to the keel floor-going to make a box-And on deck i while at sea, the chain "hole" will be closed completley... (can't seem to find the right enlish word sometimes :() hope you got what I meant.. ::) Have you any pic's of your installation?
I think the term you want is "deck pipe"
If you want a nice solid bronze deck pipe, check out:
www.spartanmarine.com
I bought one for Mathilda last week.... $98 plus shipping. The stemhead and bobstay fittings in the picture below are the original items on the Cape Dory 28. The deck pipe is in the same picture.
http://www.spartanmarine.com/image/05.jpg
Prices on their website are correct, even if they do say 2010...... :)
How easey I can be sometimes "Deck pipe" ;D and Yes This is what I meant. can't seem to find it in Sweden ???! thanks for link rorik.
Cold in sweden -10 below zero >:(
Meh, I was liking "chain hole" :) If you get really concerned about not knowning something in english, just insert the word "Thingamabob" after the term you are uncertain about, that makes it official. As in "the chain hole thingamabob". Atleast here in the midwest it works ;)
Quote from: s/v necessity on February 02, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
Meh, I was liking "chain hole" :) If you get really concerned about not knowning something in english, just insert the word "Thingamabob" after the term you are uncertain about, that makes it official. As in "the chain hole thingamabob". Atleast here in the midwest it works ;)
If you need to be really specific about a part name, you can use "thingamajiggy"....... ;D
I'm in a bit of a worrie... My "doghouse" isn't going well >:( will probably need to do a mold first ??? My question: Is it good/smart/strong enough if, I do it in plywood and then polyester/plast it in and keep the plywood underneath? would be a lot easier to do it all in place, instead of ripping it of from the Ply. what you think???
Tuesday morning at my homeport at R??...
some have left their boat in the water over winter...= regrets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8CTgqg7xuw&context=C3a15ac4ADOEgsToPDskJg-x0kjh92MPjRQOn8CLGx
Here's an ocean ready IF...this will be my "thingamajuggy ;D model.
My ongoing "luck" is still with me ;) and I feel fine...Got my hands on a stove today, cheep ;D anyone know what model/brand? I don't know and the seller didn't either???
but it's functional!
I'm guessing (based on how it looks in the pic) that the central knob is a pump handle to pressurize the fuel tank, and it burns either alcohol or kero?
It looks like a kerosene (fotogen) burner that you need to preheat with meths (r?dsprit). If you can find spare parts and get it to function reliably it is probably the best stove you can have and it looks in good condition.
May your good fortune continue all the way to the Azores!
Site called basecamp.UK has spare parts for kero burners. I order from them. Don't have the exact url on this Iphone.
http://www.base-camp.co.uk/
Thanks. I'm somewhere in Louisiana on a delivry (Ohlsen 38) and only have the Iphone
Thank's friends, so glad you're "out there"...Here's nothing like SailFar friends in Sweden (not to me anyhow ;))...will see if the mail man bring my stove tommorow?!
oh... almost forgot... ;) speak of luck... I trade my Fishing stick (thingamajiggy)? for a 4HP Cresent outborder engine... it will do for now :D
There was a "price" for my good luck :'( I feel I have to share it with someone... After 15 years, me and my wife shall divorce...This is not an ugly divorce, we both agree this was the best conclusion. but I feel sad today...
need your support if possible. feels like you sailfar'er are my only true friends right now...
I understand totally. Laura and i seperated after 20 years, six months ago.
I'm still a sad.
Very best wishes to you and her for good future lives. You won't get over it for a good while, but it gets somewhat easier with time.
Quote from: CharlieJ on February 16, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
I understand totally. Laura and i seperated after 20 years, six months ago.
I'm still a sad.
Very best wishes to you and her for good future lives. You won't get over it for a good while, but it gets somewhat easier with time.
Thanks Charlie, It was warming to hear from you, I'm not alone...my thought's back to you to charlie.
Charlie & Ntica, it's a trying experience... I've been divorced now for 15 years, long enough to heal, but it took a long time. Loss, emptyness, sense of distrust over promises not kept, all those things piled up to haunt my thoughts in quiet moments of desperation in the still of the night.
If there is any good news, it's that time heals the aching heart. In the interim, hard work (to keep the mind occupied), exercise (to exhaust the body, should sleep be otherwise difficult), & doing volunteer work (just to have some kind of social activity) all can contribute to maintaining your sanity.
After years of attempting to date, trying to meet a nice lady, I have decided that the next love in my life is likely to be 32' long & ketch-rigged. It doesn't mean that there can never be anyone else in my life, just that I'm going to go on about the business of living without fretting about finding someone.
Having a goal in mind helps. And Ntica, you've commented from time to time about your English... from my standpoint, since it's about communicating, I find your writing eminently readable, with hints of your personality shining through. Please feel free to stay in touch!
I'm so thankfull for your comments... and in this darkness I see some light.
And I have a dream to fullfill and this occupie my awaking time, or most of it anyway. I will (don't know if I mention it?) I will move aboard Celeste in a near future...Once again Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A grog for ya!
Just hang in there, & stay in touch!
I'm very sorry to hear that, Ntica,
My divorce became final a little over a year ago. It was a dark time for a long while. But life goes on and slowly improves. I'm probably happier now than I was before everything fell apart; although it was a long hard road getting here. Hang in there.
You, too, Charlie. I didn't know and am more than a little shocked. All the best to you.
Hang in there Ntica!
Wife and I separted about 2 yrs ago although we have not filed for divorce its over(we are lazy). It was also a mutual decision and a little easier when its on good terms. Keep your spirts up and the initial shock will end and your new journey will start.
It strengthen me to see and feel I'm not alone. And I must say it does not hurt "that" much, coz' we both agree. -sure there is highs and lows but...- There is no "other" part involved. It's just the end of the road for us as a couple.
Hope to get out on the seven seas in a near future, think that's the real medicine for healing.
thank you all for your kindness!
My brother gave me this beautiful lamp today...
I read an interview with Tord Sund?n about the IF. Apparently the first ten(!) were without the fore hatch and mast bulkhead. All the other 3500 have them!
There is a Mastbulkhead, but no forhatch. Tomorrow will be the official "move aboard" date. Packed some cloths and some "stuff" to bring. I leaving the House to wife & children. And will stay in close contact with them.
Sadness and happiness at the sametime :'( :D...
Nice lamp, as a child it was always fun to get to clean the nav lights. No such pleasure for most children today.
Quote from: ntica on February 28, 2012, 10:45:40 AM
Tomorrow will be the official "move aboard" date. Packed some cloths and some "stuff" to bring. I leaving the House to wife & children. And will stay in close contact with them.
Sadness and happiness at the sametime :'( :D...
Wishing you calm seas in your upcoming voyage of life.
well..not that much too see but...Done a whole lot of plastingwork in the keel area. a brand new ancorbox, mounted my windlass, redone my stove "place", some paintwork. looks like a working place in mess... but things getting in place now...Then I'll have a wholelot of cleanup, outside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvA3qJhlEg&feature=youtu.be
Hi there friends...The sun is shining and life's good again! Been some hectic days with Celeste...and many reinforcements done. getting ready to bring her to the water and to do some NM...
Hope you all feel as good as I do. For now....
With your boat on the verge of getting splashed, I'll bet few of us feel as good as you do right now! Congrats (when she gets wet)...
news...New doghouse soon finished, and new chainplates done ;D
some interior work also... ;D
It looks very nice! Good work.
--Joe
Thanks Oldrig! Hold your thumbs, perhapse I get my hands on a secondhand Hydrovane selfsteerer soon ;D Yes I know it's a bit heavy but, many folkboats/or like them, have them for some reason...
Wow. You're really coming along with your boat!
Congratulations, I'll bet the doghouse is going to be great in stormy, cold seas... but here's hoping all you get are warm, gentle tropical seas.
:)
yes... some bottompaint and then to the water....About the Hydrovane: spoke with the owner today and trade it for a bottle of Whiskey ;D Can hardley belive it ;D
pic. of offcenter mounted Hydrovane
A HydroVane for a bottle of whiusky?!!
Wow, congratulations, that`s one GREAT deal. Keep us posted once you`re out on the water.
What route are you thinking of?
Cheers//
Magnus
Hi there Maxiswe...The Hydrovane trade is unbelivable. Not in the best of conditions. I will have it in the next week.
About my planning route for now...
No 1: Put her on a "lorry" and bring her to the Med of the Spanish coast,eg. Portugal?!
No 2: Sail her from R?? trough the canalsystem of Europe to the Med.
No 3: The long opensea sailing across the Northsea, England.
But not this year. WIll test out some gear this 2012. Clear things out with my kids and so...
Couldn't help my self for the tatto.. "The Holy gral of my sailing"
And nice to hear from you all......
almost done with my "doghouse" ;)
wiev from the inside...
Looking good! Keep at it and before you know it warm tropical beezes will be call for your name.
Wow! It's really becoming an oceancruiser. And without a mast bulkhead you really get much more interior space, or at least it appears so. Are you living aboard already?
first fo all thanks to all of you for respond!!! Seahusky... I kind of liveaboard, right now. But it's been strange ti leaving my former home for good so... but anygiven day I'll be living permant in my boat, Celeste! (allready tommorow i guess)
Sad news about the Hydrovane, "He" called me up today and sead he got an offer he couldn't refuse 1200USD. And I can't come up with the money right now so he'll sell it to the other one. He fealth sad coz' he promissed me, and wanted to compens...me for the Whiskey, I sead no! Yes this was a blow for me. >:( But there will come other selfsteering divice before I leave. (I hope)
I've tried to build one, but no...I can't trust it enough.
Sorry to hear about the windvane, but it really was too good to be true.
I hope you can at least enjoy the bottle of whiskey.
--Joe
Quote from: ntica on April 03, 2012, 05:51:10 AM
some interior work also... ;D
How do you access the quarterbirth/storage now blocked by the stove/locker? Are you going to make a hatch from the cockpit?
sea Husky... There's no acces to the "quarterbeds" from the inside! some opening boxes in the well. Going to minmize the well also!
And finnaly she's in the water... Still lots of work to be done...but it's a lot of pleasure. Slept in Celeste the other night-without any heater on- darn cold it was :o
Quote from: ntica on April 21, 2012, 02:39:49 PM
sea Husky... There's no acces to the "quarterbeds" from the inside! some opening boxes in the well.
I see, those first boats were pretty differently laid out then the the main production ones. The doghouse looks good, and a little mean!
Ah, she's really pretty sitting there on her waterline. I like the doghouse look, too.
You've got a real beauty there, looks like a boat that can cross an ocean or two.
Way to go!
A tour aboard Celeste ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgfFw-7l-wE&feature=youtu.be
Very impressive! She looks like she's ready to set sail. Nice work!
--Joe
That's a "Jester challenge" boat! Well done!
thanks for nice comments boys! Here's another clip from "first time at sea", almost no wind, dirty main sail but... fealth great to be aboard my little ship ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGY1ry3il8w&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: ntica on April 28, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
thanks for nice comments boys! Here's another clip from "first time at sea", almost no wind, dirty main sail but... fealth great to be aboard my little ship ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGY1ry3il8w&feature=youtu.be
2 more backstays
1 inner forestay
maststeps
new set of sails (ljungstrom main, trysail and a storm jib)
Windvane
AIS..............
40 meter anchor chain. And my ocean voyager Celeste is ready for the big adventure ;D Can't hardley wait = Life is good :D
Looks good!
some nice sailing days behinde me...and more to come.
Yesterday i sewed Windshelter to the "well" not the most prettie, but functional ;)
And I need new set of sails >:( the once I have is not sailworthy. So now I just sail with a storm Main and a storm jib...but still happy.
For now, all the best to you!!!
Don't suppose you've considered sewing your own sails?
I love the quote running along the topsides there... such a beautiful little ship too.
Quote from: tomwatt on May 04, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
I love the quote running along the topsides there... such a beautiful little ship too.
Nice catch... I thought it was just some design detail.
dinner time aboard Celeste...
Begining to feel comfortable on board, and feeling happy!
fair wind friends ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGoDpL33eww
Most people just turn the bacon- they don't lean the boat over quite that far to do it
;D ;D ;D ;D
I've enjoyed your videos by the way.
Glad to see you are getting settled.
I have been on my boat two weeks now and starting to feel comfortable. Didn`t think it would take this long, but its pretty big lifestyle change from a "normal" home.
The hardest is thinking of my youngest, while aboard.Sometimes "Billy" call me up and is crying, and want me to come home :'( :'( it's hurting real bad.
But we're work this out too...My children knows how much i do care for them, even if I'm not at place.
the fun part: I got a new laptop ;D as a gift from my oldest son and his girlfriend (could hardley belive it) So now I can use internet when aboard, purhapse at sea? think it will need an expensive line then? No matter what...I'm pleased and feel convinsed about my comming voyage in a not very long distance.
And thank God for the sailfar forum and friends, It has kept my head above the water many times
(pic ofy oldest son Lukas,aboard Celeste)
Having been there (the separation), I can assure you that if you remain constant, let your children know you love and care for them, you'll all get through this. It's not easy, but life seldom is.
It's good to hear from you.
Keep on "rolling with the breakers!"
Thanks, appriciate it. Nice to hear from someone how's gone trough the same "hardship".
I have now done my sea berth (bed) with some blocks for easy handeling. ANd also ( ;D) got my hands on some serious "seachards" (?!) And now I have cards for all the seas, and places eccept the Indian ocean... (got them fo a fair price ;) New ones cost in sweden approx 500usd each :P I bought three of them for 200USD :D. Lifeis sometimes really good to me
cheers friends...
:D :D
This is a fantastic time in my life ;D Not a very dramatic clip but...
and I do miss a windvane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLDaJO5pT8&feature=youtu.be
40 meters of anchor chain in place = one step further. Have a nice day!
Will let you in on it. Today I contacted Cape Horn self-sterring/ yves. By e mail. I have finnaly make the desicion to order a new wind vane to this fall! I once sead I didn't like the CApe Horn outbord model, but I have change my mind since I've seen one for real! Looks like a sturdy piece, and will suit me fine! Expensive but realiable, what I need! so now there's no turning back...The hard working, money saving suede... see yaa ;D
Ntica:
Congratulations on ordering a new windvane from Cape Horn.
After having met Yves a few years ago in Annapolis and talking with a friend who installed one on his Cape Dory 28 last year, I would definitely choose the Cape Horn for my own boat. The company is supposed to be extremely helpful with installation questions and service.
Please keep us posted on how this goes.
Best,
--Joe
I just bought a Cape horn wind vane last month. I have yet to install it.
Yves and Eric were the single most helpful and responsive vendor I have dealt with in my complete refit of Mathilda.
Quote from: rorik on June 04, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
I just bought a Cape horn wind vane last month. I have yet to install it.
Yves and Eric were the single most helpful and responsive vendor I have dealt with in my complete refit of Mathilda.
My friend and yard neighbor loves the Cape Horn on his CD28. He had to call Yves and Eric a few times during installation, and he reports that they couldn't have been more helpful.
Good luck!
--Joe
soon w'll be ready...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcjd5eOulvE&feature=youtu.be
She certainly looks ready for the big move!
It's an ongoing process...The "liferafts being or not" ;) It feels good to know, if all else fails. I have something floating to step on.
Todays bargain ;D
Hi, it looks awesome. Great Job. Good Luck! :)
Claire
http://thesunovertheyardarm.com/
yeee thats me sailing... feels great :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oX9MOHDeFE&feature=channel&list=UL
Lookin' good!
can't help my self :D...My pride and joy!
This have been a very loosy summer, (weather wise)...Rainy and cold, think I've had 5 days with sun & good winds. This climate change is a no, no...
Can't waith to get to warmer latitudes!
Still things to do on Celeste, but she sail's well and give me comfort & joy.
Pic' typical Swedish summer weather 2012
Quote from: ntica on July 14, 2012, 03:50:53 AM
This have been a very loosy summer, (weather wise)...Rainy and cold, think I've had 5 days with sun & good winds. This climate change is a no, no...
Can't waith to get to warmer latitudes!
Still things to do on Celeste, but she sail's well and give me comfort & joy.
Pic' typical Swedish summer weather 2012
I wish we could get that cloud cover and wind here in the summer months, mid-atlantic has cloud cover like that but its usually a tstorm when it clears up its like a exremely large sauna!!!
an interesting article about an IF :)
http://rollingpix.blogspot.se/2006/01/mike-rowney-interview.html