The SPOT messenger is a unique piece of gear that has generated quite a bit of interest here so I thought a thread to discuss it might be in order.
First, here is a link to the mfg's web site. (http://www.findmespot.com/Home.aspx)
A first hand review;
(font enlarged for readability)Quote from: okawbow on July 24, 2008, 07:30:51 PM
I have the spot, and used it this spring on a 1000 mile trip down river, and across the Gulf. I don't have the tracking feature, and don't really see why it's needed. I sent an "OK" message every day after anchoring for the night. It takes about 2-10 minutes for the message to send. I always just turned the unit on, and set it on the engine cover, just inside the cabin. It never failed to complete the transmission. I also sent the "OK" message every 4 hours when offshore. Family and friends were very enthusiastic about getting these messages, which included a link to a map. At one point, I had about 30 people following my daily progress.
I like the "HELP" button feature, as it only sends the message to the people on your list.(up to 5 email addresses). You can pre-program the message to read something like: " I"m not in danger, but need help at these co-ordinates . Please notify ships or planes in the area to contact me on Ch 16 VHF, or ???SSB for details of my problem." This is a great feature as it allows the possibility of help for an engine, or rigging problem, without getting rescue people involved. It might allow you to save your boat in the process.
"911" feature also allows you to pre set a message. I gave the timeline, and details of my trip, my boat description, name, registration number, and cellphone number. This message is sent to the people on your list, and also to a live operator, who contacts your people by phone, as well as contacts the "authorities". The unit continues to send the "911" signal with your position, for 48 hours or more. You can then put new batteries in if needed, for more time.
Anyone else bought / used one yet?
I've got one and it is a great little unit. Although I've been chastised for this opinion in the past, it's kind of like a poor mans EPIRB. Although the coverage area is not as extensive as an EPIRB, it does cover most of the places I'm likely to sail. You have three options, well four really if you count the track feature. You can send an I'm OK message to selected individuals. My spouse likes this because she knows I pushed the button so regardless of cellphone communications status I can communicate to her that I'm still here. This was our only means of communication when I was in Still Pond Creek as the cellphone was so intermittent that it was useless. The second option is HELP which sends to selected individuals that you need help, which gives you an option short of calling the authorities. The 911 button notifies the SPOT control center and they call the appropriate first responders based on the location of your transmission. The tracking function transmits your position every ten minutes and can be viewed as a track by those with access to your SPOT public page which can be password protected. It sometimes shows a track across land if you are making into someplace like St. Michaels and going fast enough so that the transmissions are spread out more. Not a problem for me. :)
Here's an example of a track plot. You can display it (using Google Earth) as satellite view, map view or terrain view, and you can zoom in for more detail if desired. Ghis is Annapolis to St. Mike's
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c245/pyrat/Sailing/A-SM.jpg)
There's an interview with the SPOT developer and a review of its pros and cons on the Messing About in Ships Podcast, Episode #26. It can be downloaded at http://messingaboutinships.com/ (scroll down to Episode #26) or from iTunes...
http://share. findmespot. com/shared/ gogl.jsp? glId=07PlyovXkZk Gbszf8THTVVjN00q JIqPzo For those of you who are interested, this url will get you to my spot tracking page.. I will be leaving for Mexico on the 30th of October. I don't know when I'll be back but unless it'san emergency I don't intend to see snow for a long long time. Heck I don't even know (or care) where I'm going. . Feel free to forward to anyone that you think may have an interest. I'll be shutting it down when in port but it should display my current position for the next year at least. Jim
Hey Jim, You must have some kind of plan, you mentioned this here and there. Let us know a little more and be sure to write when you can.
And I could not get that link to go anywhere.
Tim
Tim, I noticed that when I copied it to this site, it put in spaces that are not supposed to be there, otherwise it should work. My plan is to get the heck out of the snow and spend some time in Mexico.
And/If, I feel like it go further south and further west. But I ain't nailing anything down other than I'm
going cruising and I'll go when and where I feel like going. Heck, I might even go all the way around
but I don't know for sure so I'll just stick to advertising what I know for sure. I'm checked out of the
Berkeley Marina effective the 30th of October and I'm going cove hoping south when I'm tired of the
current anchorage..... Jim
Great! Here's a Grog for the next couple of weeks of getting ready. What are you going to have for communications?
Primary is HF Ham. (retired Master Chief Radioman - retired 3 Jan 1972) My biggest problem is I listened to too many di-di-dah-dits and I don't hear audio real well. There ain't a lot of cw guys left. TJ
Quote from: TJim on October 11, 2008, 10:38:36 PM
Primary is HF Ham. (retired Master Chief Radioman - retired 3 Jan 1972) My biggest problem is I listened to too many di-di-dah-dits and I don't hear audio real well. There ain't a lot of cw guys left. TJ
That's what I thought, I was wondering if there was a short wave band we could listen for you on.
Tim, other than listening, mostly weather, I don't use it much and when I do it's usually to find a ham
that will put something on the enet for me and is CW. It's not something that is scheduled other than listening. There is a HAM Mobile Marine net which keeps track of cruisers. I think they operate on 14300 mhz and have a morning check-in for their plots. Haven't really used it but I thought I'd start listening to it when I leave and possibly use it if I get south or west of Mexico. TJ
To another retired Navy Chief may you have fair winds and following seas as you go about delivering your self from the cold. Good luck and I wish I could be in your shoes. If every thing works out I will be in the not to distant future
Jotruk.....Well, On the average He only gives us about 75 marbles to play with and I'm playing with number 72 now so I gotta get going. I hope you get an earlier start and a good boat to take care of you, TJ
Jim -
Email the link to me, and I'll see about getting it up for you. I'll send you a PM with an address.
Looking forward to hearing how it goes! I've a feeling you have more than 3 marbles left. Fair winds! :)
TJIM-
Try using www.tinyurl.com to convert the url link to something a bit more manageable. :)
new link (http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=07PlyovXkZkGbszf8THTVVjN00qJIqPzo)
Hey TJIM-
You're running 5-6 months ahead of me for departure. But, that's OK - I'm only 67. :D And, my plans are headed the other way - North from FL. to Maine, (for a shake down cruise), then either the north Atlantic or back for the winter in Mexico (west coast).
TJim,
If you ever start to miss the feel of snow just let me know and I'll send you some ;D ;D ;D!!! God I'm envious...sigh.
Fair winds,
Pappy Jack
P.S. Don't forget the pics.
I can guarantee you that won't happen...The only warm place I've spent time in that I didn't like was
Puerto Rico and that had nuthin to do with the weather.....TJ
The boat I delivered from Chesapeake to Tortola had a Globalstar satellite phone. One of the delivery crew brought his personal SPOT. Herewith my experience and opinions.
Globalstar. The boat had a permanently installed Globalstar phone and marine "car-kit." A laptop was set up to download Grib files for weather information. The owner told us we could use the phone as much as we liked; his account allowed unlimited use for 20USD / month. Xgate compression software was installed to reduce the necessary connect time.
The phone was a disaster. As designated weather geek, I spent an hour or more each morning waiting for a long enough signal availability to get weather data and send our daily update e-mail to the owner.
The consensus among the crew was that the best thing to do was find someone we all truly despised and give him or her the phone.
We had a dedicated weather fax machine onboard, but no paper for it.
We had a SSB which turned out to be the best source of weather information. Many many thanks to all the hams on the Waterway Radio Net (7268 kHz 0745 ET).
The SPOT worked well. The tracking web page was a source of great reassurance to friends and family. Some positions did not get through (you could see the gaps in the bread-crumb trail) but there were few gaps.
I'm still nervous about using something for life-safety that isn't designed as such, but I feel more favorably about it than previously. SPOT is not, in my opinion, a substitute for an EPRIB or PLB, but it is a very nice reassurance to family ashore. If my delivery business keeps growing I am likely to get one to provide tracking as a value-added service to the owners for whom I work.
I haven't heard of SPOT. Anyone have a link or willing to explain?
Quote from: Amgine on February 21, 2009, 06:01:31 PM
I haven't heard of SPOT. Anyone have a link or willing to explain?
Here is a link to another thread, which has a link to the manufacturer
http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php?topic=1832.0
Good catch Tim. They are now one thread. :)
SPOT messenger was the product-of-the-year in several boating magazines last year. It keeps track of your whereabouts using GPS and can send positions to a website, along with messages to friends and family, or to potential rescuers. Unlike an EPRB, the rescue agencies do not monitor the frequency directly. Rather, it relies on a private company to do that.
It seems to have been marketed originally to wilderness hikers, but has picked up lots of attention from the boating community.
Here's a link to the product's website:
http://www.findmespot.com/en/ (http://www.findmespot.com/en/)
It's intriguing, to say the least.
--Joe
It's a cool little device, I use it so my family can see where I am using track mode and to send I'm ok messages when I'm out of cellphone range. My biggest issue with it is it is only water resistant to 3 feet ro so and it has a limited time for such exposure. If you get one, get one of those waterproof cellphone bags to keep it in. The other downside is the annual subscription fee.
Quote from: Joe Pyrat on February 26, 2009, 11:58:42 AM
My biggest issue with it is it is only water resistant to 3 feet ro so and it has a limited time for such exposure.
On my recent delivery we taped the SPOT to the inside of a closed deck hatch. Worked great.
I usually stick mine under the dodger, but I read a report from a kayaker who said it failed after he rolled his kayak several times in one day and the company would not replace it because he exceeded the limits of the warranty seemingly because he exposed it to water for more than 30-minutes. I emailed them asking about this and got no reply. So if you go into the water with one, it would seem one of those waterproof cellphone/GPS type bags which would still let you push the buttons would solve this issue.
A ziplock bag would work and be a lot cheaper.
Quote from: AdriftAtSea on February 27, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
A ziplock bag would work and be a lot cheaper.
I always thought so too. I used ziplocks for years in camping, and carcamping with no problem. Rose and I had several items vaccum sealed on our trip, and other things we put in different sizes of ziplock brand freezer bags. We mostly used the ones with the double seals, but had some with the zippers.
On at least 3 occasions I can recall I found items with moisture in them, having been sealed in ziplock bags. One was our spare inverter, which was DOUBLE sealed in ziplock bags. One of the chainplates developed a slight leak and some water trickled into the locker below it. The inverter was in the water for no more then 3 days, but inspite of the seals being sealed we had water INSIDE the bag.
IMHO better to pop for the slighly more expensive dry stowage bags, or for something small like SPOT maybe even a clam case like those made by Pelican.
(http://www.pelican.com/cases/cases_1010_flash/v1.jpg)
A good source (selection and price) for dry boxes and bags is http://www.nrsweb.com/
I have no connection with the company other than supporting them for 20 years of kayaking.
I use the heavy duty ziplock bags for storing food and things that are in areas where condensation is an issue. They are not as tough as I'd like for something like the SPOT, but they do work. I've got a couple of little Pelican boxes for my cellphone and stuff like that, but you have to open them to use the keypad.
Lock and Lock containers- O-ring sealed, 4 sided locks, buy some sizes at Walmart, rest can be ordered online. We have a dozen or more in various sizes. Both GPS units, the hand held VHF, batteries, anything we want kept DRY is stored in them.
Laura is using them for canisters for coffee, sugar, oatmeal, whatever. Also has one designed as a bread box which is soon to be our first aid kit.
They come in round, square and rectangular sizes
http://www.organize.com/brand-lock-and-lock.html?gclid=CO7vytPP_ZgCFQpinAod5kfCmg
I fellow sailor on the TrailerSailor.com board found a link that provides for a free Spot when you purchase a year of service. Normally you have to purchase the Spot for around $150, plus pay for the service, so this saves some cash.
Here is the link: http://www.findmespot.com/robby/ (http://www.findmespot.com/robby/)
Modified to add the dates valid.
Valid March 19-27, 2009.
Here's a heads-up for those who have the SPOT service. They will automatically renew the service and charge your credit card when your year is up. They don't want your service interupted in case you forget to renew. So, if you are using the SPOT for a 1 time trip, and don't want to renew right away; you have to call them and cancel your service.
True. This is directly from the service agreement.
3.2 All Service plans are Pre‑paid Plans. Available plan terms may include: a yearly term with prepayment in full, a yearly term with prepayment prior to each service month or a multi-year term with prepayment in full. Pre-paid Plans automatically renew at the end of the Term for a new Term that is the same as the initial one unless you cancel by notifying SPOT no later than 30 days after such automatic renewal. Where required by law, SPOT will provide you with advance notice of the renewal of your Plan.
I have (as I said earlier in this thread) used A 2nd gen SPOT for 3 years now and have a delorme (InReach) communicator that I have used for over a year. I took both on my trips last year, cruising 6 months in the Bahamas TCI and Virgin Islands.
As a tracking device SPOT wins hands down. I do not have the tracking option on my SPOT, it costs an extra $50 a year and in my experience 15minute updates are unnecessary. I suspect that the need for SPOT to transmit so frequently is why Dave experienced the short batter life with his. I get about 2 weeks on a set of lithium batteries with SPOT, I hit the "ok" button every watch change underway or if making a shorter passage at random points to show my route.
Spot has a drawback that it only shows your tracks for 7 days, so you don't get a cool map of where you have been unless you capture a screen shot once a week.
Delorme InReach is handy, at $50 a month it is not cheap, but the 2 way text feature is handy. I have used it often, and even communicated with Chris Parker for wx (he prefers not to do this because of the short messages allowed, but can accommodate it when needed). Delorme DOES eat batteries badly, even when the tracking feature is turned off it seems to chew through a set of fresh lithium batteries in less then 48 hours. Worse yet, it can drain batteries when it is off... It seems there was a glitch that left the GPS in standby when turned off... I downloaded the update that was supposed to fix this but it did not.
Someone had posted on the net they were powering their delorme communicator though its USB port. I have tried that with several USB adapters and while it will power the unit for software updates and the like it turns on the "low power" flag and turns off the tracking.... I suspect it will not receive messages in this mode, but can not be sure. I had old messages that downloaded after I put batteries in it but that my have been a fluke.
I use my delorme with my ipad, so the functions of the software function perfectly (like everything on an ipad). It is easy to use and easy to sync. The battery life is a real buzz kill for the Delorme Communicator... That coupled with a "plan" that is nearly as much as my sat phone means I would not likely purchase it again.
I suspect the new SPOT 3 might be the ticket, if I were buying a unit for tracking now I would likely choose that over the delorme.
Here is my SPOT messenger page, only one blip right now since I am sitting in Georgetown waiting for company to arrive.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=04qCzdKRUjPrgnYhuGC6IvFsno9iIRaDZ
Here is the link to my Delorme communicator page;
I will post later,the link I have allows people to send me messages....
s/v Faith