The Good Old Boats List

[TJim]

The Triton is gone... went to a local in Florida....  difdn't last long... TJim

[hearsejr]

 good boats sale ...eeerr sell..uhum sail..they get gone fast. lol.
I got a friend that's homeless and boatless so I let her move in with me and I think she'll be back on her feet by spring. if not then it looks like I'll have a crew or house sitter, till we stumble on to abandoned project that's cheap.
if yall can, please keep an eye for a project.


thanks.
Bill

[hearsejr]

the Coronado 30 ...Cons = deep cockpit, holds lots of water if pooped, low thresh hold from cockpit to the cabin, very small head area, no shower, lockers open to the bilge and not a very good seal, large windows on the cabin,  small drains in the cockpit, 3 large lockers in the cockpit that open to the bilge.

pros = shes paid for, strong solid hull/deck, easy to sail single handed, affordable, airy and well lit cabin, large gally for a 30'er, classic woody look in the cabin, large stove and oven. lots of seating for guest, hot water heater.

I like the simple gas A-4 engine. it's simple and easy to maintain. mine is new. it was built up from a bare block.  I was raised around the Chris Crafts from the early 50's, and I'm at ease with the gas on the boat. keep everything checked and ventalated, any leaks get fixed right then, and you don't have to worry too much.

the alchol stove that came with my boat, looks brand new. I'm not sure if it's ever been used. I read the directions posted in the manuel, and it is very simple to operate.  I like the idea of being able to put out the stove fire, with water. L.P. would be nice but I think I would be on the guard for leak.

I don't like the deep ice box. it's a long reach to get to the bottom, but it does keep things cool. I might consider  converting it to 12vdc fridge. 

I'm going to add more drains to the cockpit, and add seals to the lockers.  I am going to raise the thresh hold on the cabin entrance.  I'm looking at thicker lexan to replace the main cabin windows.
I'm working on a fix for the missing leg room in the head. that should not be hard to fix.

the one thing I want to do is rebuild the main hatch, and have the wooden frame built close to the old design, but add a lexan top panel. it may get hot in the summer, so I'm looking at adding a cover to go on the outside to block the sun from shining in.

that's my $0.02 worth.
Bill

[Tingira]

WOOT!  I made this list  ;D


Tingira
Islander 29

[Tingira]

I would love to see a few pics of this modification.

[Frank]

Click "re:adriftatsea bridge deck" and just scroll down the page  ;)

[AdriftAtSea]

See post #10 of this thread or click HERE to see it on my blog.

I would love to see a few pics of this modification.

[jakedury]

I am interested in the Island Packet 27 and notice that it didn't make the list. Obviously it has wheel steering, which is not ideal, but other than that it seems like the perfect pocket cruiser. It is very roomy for a 27 footer and from what I have read it seems well-made and very sea-worthy. What do you guys think?

[TJim]

Check the boat out on WWW.image-ination/sailcalc.html  The capsize ratio (201) does not meet blue water specs. Compare it to Alberg 29 or 30.Or whatever else turns your fancy.  TJ

[nowell]

Well the ratio and numbers are just a guide. People have crossed in worse! I would say take her for a test sail and see what you think. See if you like the motion the boat gives you. I recall a thread in the past where people were talking about what passed as a "good passage maker" and being utterly sick on them.

However, Jim brings up a really good point and website. I love that site!!

[Amgine]

Heh... the Cape Dory 25D has another issue not mentioned in the quick review: the galley was designed for someone who eats out of a can, and doesn't worry much about washing up. (The galley sink is only accessible *through* the companionway ladder.) Fuel and water tankage are somewhat limiting, but a SA/D of 16.4 coupled with a frankly surprising CR of 27.22 (on a boat of only 25' LOA!) mean the boat is both quicker and more comfortable than you might think. (The trade off for that performance is a need to reef a bit earlier.)

Mmm, but don't take the babblings of someone who owns and loves the boat seriously. I'm a touch biased.

[Captain Smollett]

(The trade off for that performance is a need to reef a bit earlier.)

Typical of Alberg designs of that era?

The A-30 also likes a reef-early approach.  I've sailed in 18 knots with a reefed main a genny and even then had noticeable weather helm (though not uncomfortable) and she was still doing hull speed+ offshore in 5-6 seas.  It just seemed a bit odd to me to have partial main + genny.  Oh well.  Seems like lots of newer boats prefer reducing headsail perhaps before reefing.

Interesting, no?

[Amgine]

Yes, very much so. Mr Alberg noted the CD 25D should probably be sailed at or below 20° of heel, the flattest of all his designs, more because of that shallow keel than the weather helm.

The weather helm on my boat has been very noticeably improved with the new sails. In lighter air if I don't tighten up the battens the main is actually too flat to get much power upwind. But it's been great fun playing in the dying evening breezes. I'm trying to get as much sailing time as I can right now.

At the same time, I can't wait to get started on the summer cruise... Last time I did this route (circumnavigating Vancouver Island) I had very old and very misshapen sails. Looking forward to the challenge with better sails!

[CharlieJ]

Tehani is a "reef early" boat also. With her 7 foot beam, she loves to lay over. She'll hit 20 degrees in anything over 10-12 knots of wind. So we reef- no biggie.

The rail goes down at 35 degrees.

Last week we came home broad reaching in 22 knots, gusting 30, sailing with just a reefed working jib. Hitting 7.5 mph at times. We did 30 miles in 5 hours and 28 minutes according to the log book.

Not a shabby time huh?

[Amgine]

It's very interesting to compare these two boats!

The rail doesn't usually get wet on the deck side until about 40°, and I'm usually very annoyed with myself if I hit that. This may be due to 8 feet of beam? Maybe I'm just a bit too timid. Upwind I usually reef at about 15, but I really do use the inclinometer more than the wind speed with the new main.

Njør∂son doesn't seem to have quite the turn of speed Tehani has. When broad running in 20-25 it will surf and stay right around 7.2 on the gps for fairly long stretches. It seems to get up to 5.4 or so, then it needs a wave to break out. That's using the 110% and the old full main; I haven't had a chance out with the new sails with those winds.

The boat is much more sensitive to the mainsail than the jib. I don't notice having the 130% jib up over 10 knots, but I sure can tell if I need to reef the main and feel the difference when I do. Is that true for other Alberg boats?

[silverhand69]

I couldn't help but notice my aleutka 26 didn't make the cut... ???- that's what she was made to do ;D sail far and cheap.
:o

[Captain Smollett]

The boat is much more sensitive to the mainsail than the jib. I don't notice having the 130% jib up over 10 knots, but I sure can tell if I need to reef the main and feel the difference when I do. Is that true for other Alberg boats?

I think so.  With the relatively large main and small foretriangle, the main really is the main on Alberg's CCA era boats.  The A-30 certainly fits that description.  She is well known as a "reef early" boat.  I recently met with another A-30 owner, and he described similar handling.  A-30's like a reef in the main around 15 kts or so, but carry headsail much higher.


I've sailed offshore in 17-18 kts with a reefed main and genny - a kind of odd sail plan in light of what modern designs prefer - and still had some noticeable (but not uncomfortable) weather helm.  We were broad reaching about 6 kts in 5-6 ft seas.  Later that same day, she sailed upwind close-hauled and self-steered (no gear) for about an hour with the same sail plan, though the wind had dropped a bit.

It's all about balance, eh?

PS: What say you Ariel owners?

[Tim]

I have not sailed her enough to get a strong opinion, but I am guessing that is true. I was out in front of Angel Island one time when I SHOULD have had the main reefed!

I am taking notes :)

[Frank]

[ Later that same day, she sailed upwind close-hauled and self-steered (no gear) for about an hour with the same sail plan, though the wind had dropped a bit.

It's all about balance, eh?

PS: What say you Ariel owners?
[/quote]

I had a similar experience with Revival (ariel)  It was a good blow and I had a dble reefed main and full jib. She literally self steered up wind. I've never before or since had a boat do that.

[TJim]

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that all the old Albergs experience weather helm because they are basically over powered on the main and you either shorten sail or you never get them balanced with any appreciable amount of wind.  It might help to move the forestay forward a couple of feet.  Not sure but was just about ready to Try it with my Triton before I got the Ranger.  What say the rest of you Alberg guys??  TJim