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Title: Knots and Splices
Post by: Captain Smollett on January 26, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
I love ropework.  I have done ever since first being exposed to tying knots and doing splices as a small child, and this was solidified later when climbing.  So, though I am fascinated by the things you can do with rope, I have in the past encountered among some sailors the attitude that "too many knots" just confuses newbie sailors.

So, I thought it might be fun to poll the SailFar crew for favorite and most used knots.  Which ones do you think would be the minimum to teach a new sailor just getting started on HIS OWN BOAT? Here's my list of "newbie should learn these" just to get started (in no particular order).  I've not included a bunch of useful, but fairly specialized knots.


Just a few others I'd include as more "intermediate" to be added on later are:

Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: CharlieJ on January 26, 2008, 10:45:27 PM
If you are gonna teach the bowline, then the Buntline should be right there too. All it really is is a clove hitch around the working part. Won't come loose like a bowline can either, but won't untie easily either. I use it in place of eye splices, since it can easily be taken off and redone.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Auspicious on January 27, 2008, 09:36:21 AM
A nice adjunct to the rolling hitch is a trucker's hitch, simply a loop in the standing part that is used as a fiber block, giving 2:1 leverage. I use them to make sure the dinghy is tied down hard on the foredeck. The rolling hitch is a good way to finish and allows the lashings to be checked and tightened without starting over.

I tried to teach myself to splice double-braid from books a number of times without luck. I bought a DVD and splicing wands from Brion Toss and had an epiphany. Now that I have learned using his tools I find I can splice without them, although still much faster with the wands. I do still use the cheat sheet that came with the wands, mostly because I don't splice stuff often enough.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Captain Smollett on January 27, 2008, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: Auspicious on January 27, 2008, 09:36:21 AM

A nice adjunct to the rolling hitch is a trucker's hitch, simply a loop in the standing part that is used as a fiber block, giving 2:1 leverage.


Ah, yes, I use that one alot, too.  Excellent knot I left off my list. 
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: AdriftAtSea on January 28, 2008, 08:54:27 AM
You missed the tautline hitch, which is good for fenders if you want to adjust the height on them. ;)
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Captain Smollett on January 28, 2008, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: AdriftAtSea on January 28, 2008, 08:54:27 AM
You missed the tautline hitch, which is good for fenders if you want to adjust the height on them. ;)

That's essentially a good application of a rolling hitch.  I was thinking there was no need to try to teach a newbie a lot of limited-use knots, but rather general purpose knots that can be used in a lot of circumstances.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Auspicious on January 30, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Another one came up today: the towmans hitch. Learn it. When you need it you'll know it is the right hitch and you'll thank me for it. <grin>
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Bill NH on January 30, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: Auspicious on January 30, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Another one came up today: the towmans hitch. Learn it. When you need it you'll know it is the right hitch and you'll thank me for it. <grin>

If this is the same as a Tugboat Hitch (aka Lighterman's hitch), it's a great knot for a specific application - making a line fast to a vertical bitt, bollard or sampson post.  On sailboats it's a good knot to use when you make a dock line fast on your sheet winch, especially after using the winch to warp you alongside.  It's easy to tie, but I don't think I'd put it on the "Top Six Knots to Teach a New Sailor" list...
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Auspicious on January 31, 2008, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Bill NH on January 30, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: Auspicious on January 30, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Another one came up today: the towmans hitch. Learn it. When you need it you'll know it is the right hitch and you'll thank me for it. <grin>

If this is the same as a Tugboat Hitch (aka Lighterman's hitch), it's a great knot for a specific application - making a line fast to a vertical bitt, bollard or sampson post.  On sailboats it's a good knot to use when you make a dock line fast on your sheet winch, especially after using the winch to warp you alongside.  It's easy to tie, but I don't think I'd put it on the "Top Six Knots to Teach a New Sailor" list...

That's the one. It came in very handy last night in 30+ knots. I needed the sheet winch to crank me off a piling, and on my boat I needed a way to secure the jib sheet on the furled headsail. I cranked in on the ST winch to pull the boat to windward and used an easy towmans hitch to keep the windward jib sheet from flopping around.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: AdriftAtSea on February 03, 2008, 10:30:58 PM
Well, technically, the bowline is a sheet bend tied into a bight on the standing part of the same line.  :)
Quote from: Captain Smollett on January 28, 2008, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: AdriftAtSea on January 28, 2008, 08:54:27 AM
You missed the tautline hitch, which is good for fenders if you want to adjust the height on them. ;)

That's essentially a good application of a rolling hitch.  I was thinking there was no need to try to teach a newbie a lot of limited-use knots, but rather general purpose knots that can be used in a lot of circumstances.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: mudnut on March 08, 2008, 02:40:13 AM
I supose y'all have seen this site before,just thought ya might like to peruse it a bit.    http://www.igkt.net/index.php  .Now ya can all get knotted(can I say that?)Mudnut.
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Zen on March 08, 2008, 03:01:02 AM
cool!  thx
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Oldrig on March 08, 2008, 09:54:46 AM
In case you haven't seen it yet, here's a nice website with animated drawings of all kinds of knots:

http://www.animatedknots.com/index.php

--Joe
Title: Re: Knots and Splices
Post by: Pappy Jack on March 08, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
Hi gang,

What a pair of usefull web sites. They both went into my favorites list. Thanks guys.

Fair winds,

Pappy Jack