Standard Horizon Matrix 2150 VHF radio with AIS reciever.

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s/v Faith

Many who have been around here for some time will remember my concern about the potential for government to impose mandatory AIS (transmitting) requirements on recreational boaters.

I still have these concerns and will be surprised if we do not see this move some time in the future.

That said, this idea of the "small boats, long distance" small boat presents a number of problems for the single handed Sailor, or short crewed passage off shore.

There is a ship out there... you can see it.  Is it coming to you?  Yes, of course we can all read the lights.. but only the most naive would say that you can easily tell on a consistent basis.... especially while tired.   Add in fog, rain, or even a difficult sea state and the issue of avoiding ships becomes a real threat.

Card receivers are a 'part' of the solution... as is radar... AIS would not replace either of these but I believe that AIS is a better solution (albeit compromise).   Standard Horizon has made it relatively painless to add this to our nav suite... and the cost is a fraction of an amp more then the VHF radio this unit replaces.

I shopped for some time and settled on the Standard Horizon Matrix GX-2150.

There was another model I considered, the MatrixGX-2100.... it can be found on clearance for as much as $100 less then the MSRP of the 2150.  They both do the same things, but the 2150 does it with only one NEMA chanel.  You have to hook up 3 wires (NEMA in, NEMA out, and NEMA ground) and you have the connection.... the 2100 required 6 and would not leave a free channel for a basic plotter like my Garmin 540s....   Here is a link to a document that better describes the differences.

The MSRP on this unit is $399... but it is commonly sold for around $350.  I bought mine from West Marine and used a price match from AncorExpress.com and paid $329.



The radio fits just above the nav station where my old VHF was.  I can easily operate it from the cockpit and the location is somewhat shielded from the weather.  Of course the radio is waterproof, but my experience is that they tend to fade to yellow or tan if exposed to sunlight.

The connection to my Garmin 540s took me less then 5 minutes.  I turned on the radio and the plotter and immediately had the GPS status and position displayed on the radio screen.  The DSC will not work as I do not have an MMSI number, nor do I intend to obtain one.  I think the position information being displayed on the screen is nice, it would speed the transmission in case of emergency.

Initially the GX2150 found 3 AIS targets within 15 miles of me (2 docked tugs, and one ship).   The targets were displayed on the radio, and I was easily able to obtain course and speed... the controls are VERY user friendly.  I have not had to read the manual other then to make the wiring connections to the NEMA 0183.

Standard Horizon has an excellent history of customer support, so I dialed their 1-800 number and had a tech on the phone in less then 60 seconds.  :o   It turns out that while I had set the NEMA transfer rate to 'high' on my plotter, I also needed to do so on the radio.  Once the tech told me how to do this I immediately had the targets displayed on my plotter (small ship icon, with running lights to show direction).

I believe that the Matrix GX2150 draws approximately 300ma more then my older VHF... a quite reasonable drain.  With the plotter and the radio on, I saw an actual draw of 1.2a...  .3 of that draw come from the sounder and knotometer that are on the same circuit with the plotter... so plotter/VHF/AIS info for less then an amp.

I did a radio check, and had a clear reply.  I have not changed my antenna, and it and the cable have been up since at least 2003.  

I think I will be very happy with this unit, and will provide updates as I have more experience with it.






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Cruiser2B

Thank you for the review. I too have considered this radio. I was wondering what the difference was between 2100 and 2150, thank for that too. I will probably pick one up in the spring.
1976 Westsail 32 #514 Morning Sun
Preparing to get underway!!
USCG 100T Master Near Coastal with Inland Aux Sail

jpfx

I have the 2100. I think the difference is with connection protocols and possibly some ais options. Although marketing wouldn't say it, I think the 2150 might be a 'bug fix'.

s/v Faith

Quote from: jpfx on February 11, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
I have the 2100. I think the difference is with connection protocols and possibly some ais options. Although marketing wouldn't say it, I think the 2150 might be a 'bug fix'.

Did you click on the link?  There were folks who had to buy multiplexers with the 2100 because they needed a NEMA output for something else (like radar, or autohelm) and the 2100 required 2 NEMA ports.  AIS wants a xfer rate of 38,400 (IIRC) and most NEMA DSC functions want something slower like 4800.  SH came up with the 2150 to support both functions on the same connection (I suspect they just programed the DSC to work at high speed, since the AIS standard is fixed).

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jpfx

no, but now that I have I think it's other devices that don't have dual ports that are problematic. that plus the 2100 is stuck at 38400 baud (which again is only problem if other devices are fixed rate.

The interconnection of devices from different manufacturers will always be a minefield.

It's a nice radio though, loud and clear. I was picking up Charleston (120M) & Savannah (even further) port traffic from Columbia during December (signal must've been bouncing around the troposphere).

What's your resistance to having an MMSI? privacy? doesn't this provide useful information for your would be savior if you're in distress?

I have a metz manta antenna to run up the pole when I take it down next. They seem to be highly recommended.

Cruiser2B

I bought the GX2100 today, i know its old and has a replacement, but for $219 new i decided to go ahead and get it. i dont have a chartplotter or plan on having one so this should do. Can someone tell me what I have to do now to get the AIS to work, just a GPS input? I have an older Garmin 120. Any help is appreciated!

Thank you,

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1976 Westsail 32 #514 Morning Sun
Preparing to get underway!!
USCG 100T Master Near Coastal with Inland Aux Sail

w00dy

Our boat came with the 2100. I haven't gotten around to deciphering the wiring scheme, but it is somehow hooked into our radar/chartplotter thingy, which has a nicer interface. Still, the radio itself will do everything from displaying the contacts, their information, sounding proximity alarms, and digital selective calling. It is comforting knowing that there is less risk of a collision with commercial traffic, though all the alarms are kept off when we are in port because of the numerous contacts. What I like most about AIS is that I no longer have to come up with creative descriptions when hailing unknown vessels. I called out to a commercial tug by name the other day and he told me that he was startled because he couldn't see anyone around him for miles. Pretty cool that this little radio allows me to see all the information, location, heading, etc of other boats.

It's ironic then that I abhor the thought that others might have access to my information in this way. I know my radio is a "recieve only" unit, but I would chuck any unit over the side if I didn't have control over what was being broadcast about my movements. It's bad enough that all my internet activity and cell phone location signals are logged and tracked. To me, the boat is about getting away from all that, so I will fight hard against the government that wants to make these things mandatory, for my own "safety". Still, as long as I can switch off the "send" feature at will, AIS could help make passagemaking that much safer.

I don't have enough experience sailing around the world to know how vital this equipment is. Of course, it has always been the mariners prerogative to keep a proper lookout, but singlehanded sailors have always weighed the risks and closed their eyes if they felt safe enough. Are there too many boats on the water to be doing this anymore? I don't know. Depends on where you sail, I suppose. The increase of international trade means that there are that many more ships to beware of. AIS can help, but there are still all the smaller fishing and recreational vessels which have not "come online". As the participants in AIS grows, so will the value of the network.

The trend of using technology to make sailing safer will still have the unintended consequences of diminishing the allure of the frontier. GPS, EPIRB, AIS, SATPHONES, etc are all extremely helpful devices, but in maintaining the safety net, the tether to society remains unbroken and the essence of cruising, of losing oneself, is harder to achieve. Also there is the dangerous temptation to ignore the world around you and reduce your experience to a series of LCD screen readouts of windspeed, depth, GPS location, Radar targets, etc. Is this taking sailing one step closer to becoming just another Iphone app. which will furl the sails, raise the anchor, and steer the course for you?

All of us who wish to preserve the ancient skills have one foot in the old world and one in the modern. We each find our own balance. I will continue to use AIS and the GPS and all the electricky stuff, and enjoy it. I hope that I can find the discipline to push myself to doing things the hard way once and awhile, because someday I might just have to.

CharlieJ

Understand your view Jim, and I agree. I think an AIS receiver would be very helpful in certain places, such as crossing the channel offshore Galveston  (HAIRY at 2300!!) But I don't want a transmitter- for one thing, don't have the capacity to power one.

Can tell you one thing- your AIS receiver should be VERY quiet between Tarpon Springs, and somewhere on the Florida panhandle-Carrabelle, Apalachicola-(DON'T try that one at night) Or Panama City- ain't no big shipping in there!!!
Charlie J

Lindsey 21 Necessity


On Matagorda Bay
On the Redneck Riviera

w00dy

This was our AIS display as we passed Boliver roads toward Freeport. Hairy indeed.


CharlieJ

Hey James- sent you an email earlier, hopefully to the new (correct address)

Email me back and I'll get you the phone number of my friends there.
Charlie J

Lindsey 21 Necessity


On Matagorda Bay
On the Redneck Riviera

s/v Faith

They now have a 2200 matrix also, it integrates the GPS chipset into the 2150...  Works for DSC, AIS, and a backup GPS right out of the box.  You can have it display the targets on your GPS.... 

http://www.professionalmariner.com/Web-Bulletin-2014/Standard-Horizon-is-pleased-to-announce-the-NEW-GX2200-Matrix-AIS-GPS-now-with-integrated-GPS/

Amazing part is it is no more expensive then the 2150 was.

(I understand the 2150 has now been reduced)
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Grime

I had thought about the VHF with AIS but then I found a good app for my tablet. Can be used on an android phone also.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/p/mobile
David and Lisa
S/V Miss Sadie
Watkins 27

s/v Faith

Quote from: Grime on January 26, 2014, 08:39:33 AM
I had thought about the VHF with AIS but then I found a good app for my tablet. Can be used on an android phone also.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/p/mobile

Sounds like a good option for places like off Savanna, Charleston, or Lauderdale where you would have traffic and potentially have some kind of wifi access.  Two issues I see when considering using Internet based AIS are that you are relying on the ground stations to be in operation and having Internet access.

Having cruised with AIS for over 9 months of underway time now, it is certainly useful in those places... But where it really shines is often in situations where one does not have Internet.

A "dark and stormy night" off of Puerto Rico when there are a dozen cruise ships visible, crossing through current cut on Eleuthera at night... And even in the daylight where I had an incident 3 days ago that really made me appreciate AIS.

Caution: Sea story warning!

It was the middle of the day, and the sky was cloudy but visibility was good.  I was sailing on a reefed main and partial jib in approximately 22 knots of wind.  I saw an AIS target appear 12 miles out, and saw that it was a small inter-island tanker.  Our CPA was calculated at anywhere from .2nm to 600'.  I certainly don't get concerned with targets this far out, it is unlikely in the dynamic situation of sailing that two boats would both maintain course and speed at 12 miles out.

  As we got closer the CPA seemed to get more reliably small.  It was bouncing around a couple hundred feet, which is not THAT close but not necessary in the open ocean.  I had 4 passengers aboard, and interestingly I had been talking to them about CBDR situations that morning.  I came up about 10degrees both to change the equation and slow a bit (did not trim in the sails).  For a minute our CPA went up to .5nm, but then his course changed.  He had been reporting a fairly consistent 140, now it was 147... And the CPA dropped back down.

  I thought it was a fluke, I know of reports of Sailors having problems with rogue small inter island merchants, but this was no scow.... It appeared to be a well maintained tanker.  We were still a couple miles away but the AIS calculated a very close pass within a few minutes.

  I pinched up again, this time I came up until the jib started to luff.  Our speed dropped from 6.7 down to around 4.  By now I could clearly see him, and noticed he again changed course again.  A couple seconds later the AIS alarm goes off... We are on a collision course.

  I hail him on the vhf, remember I have his name thanks to AIS.  I get no answer.  It appears to me that he is intending to either hit me or come very close.  I am tempted to fall off and get some way on, but instead I head up farther.  I am thinking that he would have to change course significantly to hit me, and I could fall off and change the equation at the last minute to make me a harder target.

  Right before I headed up the last time AIS was calling for a CPA of less then 50' in 4 minutes.  Thankfully this time he did not change course and passed harmlessly across the bow.

  The proximity of this guy was not the concern by itself... You pass closer in situations like the ICW or other narrow passages.... But that he made multiple course changes, with each arriving at a smaller CPA was.

  Not that such an encounter could not have been avoided without AIS, it certainly could have... But AIS gave me much better data to make decisions with.   Had such an encounter taken place on a moonless night, or in rain that might have limited the radar it could have been a very different outcome.

  As one who initially resisted AIS, over the last several months I must admit I have become a convert.  I recommend it, at least a receiver, for anyone who plans to venture offshore.
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SalientAngle

hmmm, voyeur tanker crew in search of grog-laden bikini-clad cruisers?

::)

Grime

There is always a negative side to everything.

For me and people like CharlieJ the app would work very well for us. You see the ditch (ICW) is very crowded along the Texas coast all the way to NOLA.

I've done this trip and would have liked any kind of AIS so the tow that I would be calling would know I was calling them. Most of the time its a shot in the dark for them to answer.

"South bound tow North bound sailboat"  They have know idea who you are calling.  Now I can call say "Brown Water 2 Sailing Vessel Miss Sadie" and I'll get an answer.

I have know plans sailing to P.R. or any other offshore passage. 

Cell WIFI is everywhere now.  I have a little WIFI router that as long as there is cell service I can get connected.
David and Lisa
S/V Miss Sadie
Watkins 27

cap-couillon

Latest Version from StdHorizon

Release pushed back to Feb, but price supposed to be comparable to GX2150......  GPS chip/ant built in along with AIS and DCS.  Means I won't have to integrate with existing GPS...

Cool Beans,  want one.
Cap' Couillon

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s/v Faith

#16
If Faith did not already have the 2150, I would get the 2200. 

I wonder if they will come out with a 2250 that integrates an AIS transponder?  It would be a nice addition, and I bet they could not keep them on the shelf!  All the transmit circuitry is already there in the vhf anyway....   ;)
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cap-couillon

Not a bad idea.... although I never was  never as concerned that they see me, as I see them.  Only use I had for radar was tracking the heavies and AIS is great as it's  cheaper,  and no big xmtr sucking power.   

Interesting question I have never bothered to research. From the 2150 spec sheet it looks like the draw in receive only mode (squelched) is around 0.5A while transmit mode is 1A or 5A (depending on 1W or 25W output)  Question is, what is the power draw if we add an ais transmitter?  Poking around, it looks as if a typical class B ais will use about 10Ahr/day...

Stingy as I am about power on a "sailfar" boat, not sure if being "seen" is worth it. No guarantee the heavies are going to be watching, or will be able to avoid anyway.  (Lights match to fuse  ;D) 

Bet your correct in the full-monty being Std Horizon's next step though.   The 2150 was on the spring purchase list, now it's the 2200... That will make 3 separate gps systems,  The old Garmin 126,  Std Horizon 2200 and the GlobalSat hockey puck on the laptop (Navigatrix/OpenCpn).   

Still practice a noon-shoot every day off shore though, and carry paper charts... (lights second match  ;D)

Cap' Couillon

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s/v Faith

I can give part of that answer.  I installed a raymarine 650 AIS tranciever aboard s/v Emerald Tide.  I hooked it into the instrument breaker rather then the chart plotter / radar breaker so I could leave it on in the event I needed to anchor in a place where AIS visibility was necessary. 

The transmit cycle is minimal, it takes less then a second and only transmits every 4 minutes.  The difference between receive only and transmit mode is minimal.

I was a voice addressing this concern in another thread on this forum a few years ago.  Now the energy budget of s/v Emerald Tide is significantly higher then s/v Faith but the contribution AIS makes is minimal.

I have been contacted by name several times, both offshore and in the ICW.  It is my opinion that I was wrong in the past, and that being able to transmit AIS is a worthwhile function.... Especially if it were integrated into a matrix 2250 type unit where you are already powering the receiver and associated chipsets.... I suspect the power savings would be significant when compared to having separate components for each function.
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Cap' Couillon

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