Was thinking about creating space for a taller composting head in a private head compartment for the Ariel 26 layout and a possible layout modification to accommodate it. (Now I recall that I think it was Charlie talking about his Meridian 25)
Shows reconfiguring the existing V-berth to a single berth on starboard side with an infill piece/cushion to convert it to a double berth (removable for access to the head compartment with hinged door).
Creating a storage space/sail bin on port side forward of the head compartment.
If it a custom-built composter made to fit the space, you can likely make it work. I think that the pre-made/commercial units are not going to be happy in that space due to the hull shape. It is narrow and steep there - they'll either poke out towards center too far if sitting down near the sole, or if raised high enough to avoid "hull conflict", will be an uncomfortably high perch.
I've been planning a cabinet/stowage against the bulkhead on that side in that space, with a made-to-fit composter just forward of it, where when sitting on the throne your head (the one on your shoulders) will be a bit forward of the port, and the seat will be at a bit of an angle to centerline. Was sitting there today 'imagineering', when the thought came to me that it would be neat to have a pop-top hatch, giving one easy standing headroom at anchor, perhaps for a hot-water sun shower...
Have removed 90% of the poop up in the v-berth area, preparatory to the last of paint removal and starting to lay in the on-hull foam, prior to build out of cabinetry. Thinking that I am going to use the ex-water tank area as anchor rode stowage via twin large-diameter PVC pipes, keeping access the the very forward area (ex-anchor locker) for stowing extra sails, rodes, other light & bulky stuff, and the space on top of the ex-tank work as a "garage" that would fit my fold-up bike (http://www.origamibicycles.com/), origami kayak (http://www.orukayak.com/) or dinghy (http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/benjamin/origami/index.htm) (or here (http://www.christinedemerchant.com/boat-styles-coroplast.html)), or similar bulky items - and serve as a workbench area if needed.
Although it is not a composting head, I did put my MSD in the VBerth area;
(http://www.pbase.com/morningdove/image/153239525/medium.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/morningdove/image/153239526/medium.jpg)
And with the door on it now, it does create the privacy
(http://www.pbase.com/morningdove/image/154551436/medium.jpg)
Tim - Are your feet dangling when you sit there?
And whats the white triangle of material on the bulkhead - reinforcement for the strongback? Splashguard? Whiteboard for meetings? :D
Well......I have not had an actual "occasion" to use it yet, ;) But if I remember correctly :-\ my feet just touch when sitting :D fortunately there is a grabrail right above it.
The white triangle just covers the wiring.
Quote from: CapnK on March 30, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
And whats the white triangle of material on the bulkhead - reinforcement for the strongback? Splashguard? Whiteboard for meetings? :D
I'm guessing that it is a secret customs-proof cabinet where Tim keeps all his firearms, 50 cal, tripod, ammo, etc., for out there in the wild and hostile SF Bay Area and West Coast, or goes cruising down to Mexico...? (So won't expect that to be confirmed here...) ;)
Quote from: CapnK on March 30, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
Whiteboard for meetings? :D
LOL! That would be a perfect design...if the ideas presented won't fly, the head is right there below...handy... :D
Quote from: Jim_ME on March 30, 2014, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: CapnK on March 30, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
And whats the white triangle of material on the bulkhead - reinforcement for the strongback? Splashguard? Whiteboard for meetings? :D
I'm guessing that it is a secret customs-proof cabinet where Tim keeps all his firearms, 50 cal, tripod, ammo, etc., for out there in the wild and hostile SF Bay Area and West Coast, or goes cruising down to Mexico...? (So won't expect that to be confirmed here...) ;)
JIm, you must be mistaking me for a Gulf coast sailor ;) only thing hidden around here is the "peace pipe" ;)
Quote from: Tim on March 31, 2014, 12:00:42 AM
JIm, you must be mistaking me for a Gulf coast sailor ;) only thing hidden around here is the "peace pipe" ;)
Maybe it was Ahhnold...and "Pump [click-click] you up!" I was thinking of...? Could easily be confused...both are way out West from here. We think of Vermont as being the West Coast (to Lake Champlain). I think they have some "Peace Pipes" up there, too. ;)
Quote from: Jim_ME on March 31, 2014, 12:11:14 AM
Quote from: Tim on March 31, 2014, 12:00:42 AM
JIm, you must be mistaking me for a Gulf coast sailor ;) only thing hidden around here is the "peace pipe" ;)
Maybe it was Ahhnold...and "Pump [click-click] you up!" I was thinking of...? Could easily be confused...both are way out West from here. We think of Vermont as being the West Coast (to Lake Champlain). I think they have some "Peace Pipes" up there, too. ;)
Naw, it's Governor Moonbeam now ;D
Quote from: Tim on March 31, 2014, 12:15:30 AM
Naw, it's Governor Moonbeam now ;D
Ah...
A sunbeam to warm you
A moonbeam to charm you...
Good to see some photos of your Ariel. Those swans-neck handholds at the companionway are cool. Patty Lee should check those out. :)
Quote from: CapnK on March 30, 2014, 11:15:37 PM
If it a custom-built composter made to fit the space, you can likely make it work. I think that the pre-made/commercial units are not going to be happy in that space due to the hull shape. It is narrow and steep there - they'll either poke out towards center too far if sitting down near the sole, or if raised high enough to avoid "hull conflict", will be an uncomfortably high perch.
I should find some transverse sections through that area to know how much space is there. You have the advantage of having an actual Ariel there. :)
After looking at the Ariel ads that were posted in the
boats for sale thread, and admiring the design again, I began wondering about space for an enclosed head and the possibility of a double berth option for a couple.
Kurt, from your comment about the height of a standard composting head, and the photo from Tim of his MSD, it does seem that the best location for any head is as low and toward the enclosure doorway as possible.
This doesn't leave space to use the head within the new enclosure to the port side of the forward cabin sole/berth ext area (although it could be closed up/separate from the forward cabin/berth area when not in use). I looked at creating a head extension enclosure with both a new head door (opened against the berth forward), and a door at the main bulkhead (opened against the starb side of the berth and meeting the edge of the other door). Also showing a curtain that can be drawn to screen the extended head space from the main cabin (in a case where it was also occupied). If you need no privacy from the forward cabin/berth, the main bulkhead door can be closed (into the bulkhead) to provide privacy from the main cabin.
Since Craig mentioned this, I'm thinking that these doors and curtain might serve to also make the extended head (with maybe another curtain across the port doorway to the head enclosure) usable as a basic shower under the existing hatch, where a solar heated water bag might be hung above (and show a pan with drain at the floor)?
It looks like you have touched on the hardest of puzzles when it comes to the amazing Ariel, how to fit it all in there. I wound up setting up the "berth" area much the same as you have. It still seemed a bit too tight so I actually moved the chain locker bulkhead forward a few inches and that did make all the difference for my height. Incorporating a functional head in the same area, especially one with a shower :o, is not only difficult, it's dang near miraculous.
For the single hander, your plan looks great to me. I can sleep that close to my poo without a thought (except for right now..)The wrinkle may be the cruising couple. Or at least, when two are sleeping in the forward berth, and then one is sleeping and one is awake thinking, "how is this going to work?" And then the both of them have to be awake..
During the day it obviously wouldn't be much of an issue as that area is essentially the head in our minds. When it comes to the Ariel, and other similarly sized boats, unless you intend to make up a berth in the main cabin, it seems to me that the only way to avoid "that situation" is to have a head that you can move into the main salon. A composter, while a little taller than your standard head, or porta-poti. lends itself well to a semi-mobile lifestyle. A custom made composter, like Kurt mentioned, might be the best answer for that option.
I'll just sit back now and wait for you all to come up with the solution to one of the problems that has stopped me in my tracks. So hurry up, I'm running out of time! ;D
Quote from: Capt. Tony on April 02, 2014, 08:23:45 PM
I can sleep that close to my poo without a thought (except for right now..)The wrinkle may be the cruising couple. Or at least, when two are sleeping in the forward berth, and then one is sleeping and one is awake thinking, "how is this going to work?" And then the both of them have to be awake..
This plan has the door in the head enclosure, so that can close it off from the forward cabin/berth(s) when not in use.
I was thinking that with a couple, the person sleeping on the inboard side of the berth could get up, remove the berth infill piece/cushion, open the doors against the berth, and use the head. If the outboard person needs to get up, then they would have to swap places in the berth first. I guess that both
would have to wake up in that scenario, unless you could scoot your partner over without (at least fully) waking them?
Quote from: Capt. Tony on April 02, 2014, 08:23:45 PM
I wound up setting up the "berth" area much the same as you have. It still seemed a bit too tight so I actually moved the chain locker bulkhead forward a few inches and that did make all the difference for my height.
Yes, Alberg seems to favor large chain lockers, and may locate the locker bulkhead so that the bottom of it is at the forward end of the waterline, perhaps to reinforce the hull at the spot that something floating would impact the hull.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I REALLY don't see the hang up on the head.
In the first place, If I had doors on a small boat, like an Ariel or Triton , I'd yank 'em out and hang a curtain. Doors are a PITA anyway, even on larger boats. Even on my 35 foot tri, we used just a curtain.
And two of us lived aboard, and cruised Tehani for over two years, with a head under the Vee. Never a problem. Never had to use it during the night, so no big deal
The only pic I have of the head set up is this one, with the panel folded up for access. When I made the bed, that folded down and an insert went in to fill up the space.
For privacy, we'd hang a towel across the opening or just go up top while the other used the facility. Hey- it usually only gets used once a day! Seems simple enough to me.
Edited-
Ok- did find a pic of the space with the panel closed. The insert sits on the wood cleats each side when used to make the full bed. The potty resides behind the curtain.
And I would never even DREAM of putting a shower below decks on a boat this size. No way, no how. Even on my tri I didn't have one. Three of us lived on that boat for three years. Either shower in the cockpit with a pump up spray shower, or take a sponge bath inside. Showers are NOT worth the trouble.
Charlie, Nope, You're not weird.
This all started with the idea of putting a taller composting head off to the side, since it may be too tall to fit under the V-berth.
Once you do that, you lose the V-berth on that side, so the infill piece up to the bulkhead is of course to be able to make the berth into a double for a couple.
So then was looking at putting the head into an enclosure, so that you can close it off from the forward cabin/berths when not in use.
Then the idea of making that an enclosed head that could be used by guests or other family members that might be sleeping in the main cabin. (The boat does have 4 berths)
Being able to sleep the night without having to use the head makes it simple, but I also understand that not everyone can do that, as Tony may have been suggesting.
I had doors on several boats and never minded them. Offer a bit more privacy than a curtain, if you have guests, or a family using both cabins.
I have read about some people that absolutely insist on having a shower below. Craig had mentioned having one below, too. Maybe he was kidding and it went over my head...? Wouldn't be the first time :) I would hate to think that people would feel that they had to move up in size to a 30 footer, if everything else on an Ariel was to their liking, if they were adamant about the shower? Seems like if you can find the physical space (and as you often say, there is a bit more in an Ariel than Tehani), then it should be possible to build a shower something like the larger boats have.
I think that I'm with you, Charlie, and would spray shower in the cockpit, get some lee cloths for the lifelines around it...suspend a curtain on a frame from the boom if I had to. No doubt that it is the KISSiest thing to do.
Was just thinking about what may be possible in an Ariel (since I may now have to get one). :D
Edit: Nice photographs. Tehani is beautiful in her simplicity! :)
Well, the only time I might have to get up middle of the night for is to Pee, and that very seldom. And I sure don't use the potty for that. Nor did anyone else aboard. Coffee can in the cockpit.
And yes, that's the big reason there's no composter onboard- just no room. So I have zero experience with them.
Lst year, when I did the BEER Cruise in Pensacola aboard my 21 footer, I tried Wag Bags. They stink after a day or so. Properly maintained porta pottis (and composters I gather) do not.
But she IS plumbed for pump out, and in coastal cruising, I found that to be very much simpler than a porta-potti that needed dumping. Much less hassle also. Primarily because the places set up to dump are so few and far between(I can, offhand, think of only 4 places between Texas and Annapolis Maryland) ,and you get to be made feel like a criminal in using bathroom toilets. In many places we had to sneak it in in a canvas bag. Many marinas have signs up forbidding dumping.
Of course you CAN go offshore and legally dump. Three miles on the east coast, NINE miles on Florida's west coast-long way out and back!!
I have a Dometic 5 gallon MSD, and with two aboard we had to pump roughly every 7-8 days. With just me- 15 days. The problem that arises though is that, for example, in the Bahamas there ARE no dump stations so you better be able to pump it your self. Which is pretty sad since what they have to sell is the clean water.
And on the shower. Most folks I know on small boats who do have showers below, use the space for stowage, NOT showering. Causes to much problems from mold and mildew. And rot. Ask Grime- he just had to replace ALL the bulkheading around the head on his boat, from a shower.
Most tried at first, and gave it up as a bad idea. Just makes too big a mess. A dishpan full of hot water and a wash rags works quite well. Or baby wipes for a few days, then a bath.
Remember- as Smollet keeps saying- it's NOT a house
Oh, and thanks for the compliment on Tehani- Worked hard on her and I love the boat.
Here's my plan. Push aft bulkhead back about 18" (aligned w/forward edge of cockpit locker hatches) creating a large athwartships double mostly under bridgedeck/cockpit for in-port use. Companionway ladder (retractable) drops down to forward edge of that bunk. Either side of that, small "U" extensions create seating positions but also allow for one to stretch out along low side of hull under sail (sea berth). Entire area has stowage underneath.
Forward of that, Green areas are galley (Engel to port, stove/oven/sink to strbd) and stowage up to counter top height. Head (composting, custom made) is Orange, tucked as far forward on the sole as possible, just aft of original water tank after bulkhead, sitting just off of centerline & turned slightly.
Under a hump just behind main bulkhead on top of sole are twin 12V house batteries. Water stowage will most likely be several bladders of 5-10g each, ideally stowable just fore and aft of main bulkhead against hull & down low.
Charlie, does your MSD have a vent?
Quote from: Tim on April 03, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Charlie, does your MSD have a vent?
Absolutely.
Comes out the side of the hull just under the toe rail.
It's the round object just forward of the chain plates in this pic
I went back and forth on the subject and ended up keeping a bucket in in the port cockpit locker.It was really quite simple I was
the one who was making it complicated
Quote from: CharlieJ on April 03, 2014, 12:54:52 AM
she IS plumbed for pump out, and in coastal cruising, I found that to be very much simpler than a porta-potti that needed dumping. Much less hassle also. Primarily because the places set up to dump are so few and far between(I can, offhand, think of only 4 places between Texas and Annapolis Maryland) ,and you get to be made feel like a criminal in using bathroom toilets. In many places we had to sneak it in in a canvas bag. Many marinas have signs up forbidding dumping.
As an added wrinkle, here in Ontario a permanently mounted head with holding tank and deck fitting pump out is the only legal form of marine toilet, and without one a vessel loses its status as legally being able to have booze aboard.
Quote from: DarrenC on April 04, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
As an added wrinkle, here in Ontario a permanently mounted head with holding tank and deck fitting pump out is the only legal form of marine toilet, and without one a vessel loses its status as legally being able to have booze aboard.
...that's just barbarian...it promotes lawlessness!
Quote from: CapnK on April 03, 2014, 09:07:41 AM
Push aft bulkhead back about 18" (aligned w/forward edge of cockpit locker hatches) creating a large athwart-ships double mostly under bridgedeck/cockpit for in-port use.
Kurt, Years ago I spent fair amount of time on a 30 footer with an athwartship berth in the aft cabin. I found that when the boat rolled, say at anchor when another boat passed and left even a small wake, that I really felt that quick motion.
I wonder whether anyone has tried a layout like the one below, with a large quarter (possibly double) berth, a dinette, with seat to starboard (and temp table ext to it), and more space for galley in the starb aft cabin area?
The big problem with a dinette in a small boat like an Ariel, or Tehani, is that the hull curves in so close to the outboard seat that a a full sized person has no room for feet.
Pretty much makes the dinette a two person arrangement, in any comfort.
I really haven't noticed any extra motion sleeping athwartships in the past couple of years. May be due to that I am still in a beamy part of the boat, basically just aft of the widepoint.
I did try a couple different dinette setups like you illustrate, both with head and shoulders below deck level (seat at original berth height) and also high up enough to look out of the ports (seat raised 14" IIRC). Sitting low, there is not much flat foot space (on edit: see CJ's response above), and up high, not much shoulder room. And to have a table/foot space decently wide enough for two, you'll need to remove the port cabinets at the main bulkhead.
I think that in my 8 years aboard I have exhausted the possible layout permutations. ;D
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Today I have completely cleaned out the bilge, pulled the pump, and am getting ready to somehow block off the cockpit drain thru-hulls (which are fiberglass tubes bonded to the hull at construction) so I can go ahead and begin the cockpit footwell modification.
I am somewhat at a loss as to how best do this, what with the boat in the water... ;D
So far my best idea is: I have a can of red Great Stuff expanding foam; I think I am going to get appropriately sized PVC end caps, have the drain tubes ready to pull, shoot the cap full of foam, pull tube and slap the cap on, then hold the cap there while the foam expands down into the thru-hull and sets. If that works to seal the thru-hull 90% (or more, hopefully) from leaking, then I am going to glass the caps right to the remaining thru-hull base so that there is no way that they can come off until I get in the yard and grind them off prior to patching the hull.
Alternatives already considered:
1 - Drill small hole into thru-hull from side, pull drill bit and replace with foam tube, shoot foam. Drawback: foam may just expand out into the river, not really blocking thru-hull.
2 - Pull tube, push sponge or rag into thru-hull until a couple of inches are open, foam into that space. Drawback: I imagine that sponge/rag will leak, and foam may not get a good bond onto thru-hull interior.
3 - Similar to 2, but use a bag or rubber glove, pull tube and "cap" thru-hull with bag/glove. Then, shove it backwards down into thru-hull with foam tube, and shoot foam. Drawback: no direct-to-thru-hull contact by foam. Could then do the cap idea, though...
Thoughts?
Quote from: CapnK on April 05, 2014, 12:05:27 PM
I am somewhat at a loss as to how best do this, what with the boat in the water... ;D
Thoughts?
Could you snorkel dive and drive tapered wooden plugs into the drain through-hulls from the outside (to keep water from entering until you can install caps inside)?
That is an option, probably the easiest, but I am trying to do it dry. :) River is in the low 60's (maybe, possibly lower), and I don't have tapered plugs.
I'm thinking that you might be able to make some crude tapered plugs by putting a belt sander or grinder in a vise and turning a stick against it to shape it to a taper, then cutting the plug off?
Can't help much with the water temp...that's warmish for up here. :D
I was looking at the dinette in the Westerly Cirrus 22 (3300 lbs) (see photos below) which seems like a generous two-person size, or also with one or two that are short enough to sit outboard under the deck (say a couple with children).
One photo shows the aft dinette seat as part of a good-sized quarter berth. The dinette is raised a step, which helps get the dinette and seats farther away from the narrower turn to the bilge. But the Cirrus, even though only 60% the displacement of the Ariel, has a taller hull.
Even the strictly 2-person dinette in the C-Dory 22 p*werboat (I looked at photos of the boat after Frank posted about it in another thread), seemed like a cool feature in a small boat. Especially if there was another settee (even though not a berth) opposite, and the table could occasionally be extended to accommodate them.
I'm just wondering if the foam will even stick.
Doesn't that stuff need to be applied to a dry surface? If the thru-hulls are wet, or have a slime film on them, it may not work at all.
Maybe just stuff a cloth or something in there to slow the water flow, and cap it quick, possibly with some waterproof epoxy in the cap?
Just 'found' some white extruded polystyrene foam in my shed of appropriate thickness to make plugs. Going to try pulling the tubes, shoving in a tight-fitting foam plug, and then use some quick-set waterproof epoxy on top of the plug to seal it from leaking, prior to a more permanent sealing with cloth and resin.
What could go wrong? ;D
Edit: Sounds about the same as what you suggest, Travelnik. I had not thought about slime inside the thru-hulls, and I can almost guarantee you that there is some there. Good call. :)
Here are the C-Dory dinette photos...
Having a table that's always setup (to keep a chart, etc. on) and off to the side, out of the cabin corridor, just seems like a nice feature. If it can be raised so that you can look out the portlights at the view, or dragging boats in an anchorage...even better. :)
The Cirrus has a much narrower side deck than the Ariel, and the C-dory none at all. Those Ariel side decks are nice for going forward, but are what kick the dinette in the pants, so to speak. :)
(http://sailboatdata.com/imagehelper.asp?file_id=2961)
Many Westerly boats do have super-sized cabin trunks.
Although the photo that you posted is used on the sailboatdata website, I don't think that is a Westerly Cirrus 22, but is a Westerly Warwick or Westerly 22 21, which has a larger trunk and narrower side decks.
Here are some pics of an actual Cirrus 22 (which has a smaller trunk/wider decks)...
The Westerly 22, and the Nomad don't have side decks, and it makes the interior volume feel huge! ;D
Not having side decks is less practical for going forward, but I'm laying mine out to have most everything except the anchor done from the cockpit.
I thought about putting a dinette in, but I would lose the storage area under the quarter berth if I did. It's still a possibility though.
Jim, yes, those Cirrus side decks are much closer to Ariel-ness... :)
And BTW, I don't mean to be a idea poo-pooing, cotton-headed ninnymuggins only full of negativity about the ideas you are bringing up - just trying to relate what I found out trying my ideas (to which yours are very similar) over the past several years, and what the result *I* had was, perhaps with some background commentary. :)
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So here's what I am going to try: Going to coat the outside of the foam plugs with a layer of Gorilla Glue, pull tubes, give thru-hulls a quick ream with a bottle brush, shove plugs in, top off with epoxy stick, then glass & resin later. I did some experiments a few years ago with GG, it expands into a foam when in contact with water and hardens quickly/faster - should give me just the result I want.
In fact, I harbor a suspicion that GG and Great Stuff foam are much the same thing; they are both polyurethanes, and in my experiments I found that mixing GG 1:1 or more with water makes a foam that looks very similar to Great Stuff. Hmmm... :)
Quote from: CapnK on April 05, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
just trying to relate what I found out trying my ideas (to which yours are very similar) over the past several years, and what the result *I* had was, perhaps with some background commentary. :)
What I haven't shared is that, although I had been kidding about now having to get an Ariel, that one had recently been posted that was not far away and fairly cheap. I did contact the seller, and was giving some serious thought to whether I should try to get it. So I have been thinking about the Ariel more detailed way than before, and what kinds of things might be done with the layout, if I should want some of the features that many seem to like: separate taller composting head, double shared berth, maybe a dinette, etc.
Absolutely, You know the Ariel, like Charlie knows a Meridian, as only one who has owned and worked on one would. I'm happy to sketch up design ideas and put them out there for any consideration or discussion that it may spark, but am not attached to any particular one or outcome, and wish you, Darren, and anyone who is contemplating or modifications all the best for whatever you choose.
Quote from: DarrenC on April 04, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
As an added wrinkle, here in Ontario a permanently mounted head with holding tank and deck fitting pump out is the only legal form of marine toilet, and without one a vessel loses its status as legally being able to have booze aboard.
Well they sure know how to make it a high-stakes situation...it may just be things like this that led to that dreaded expression "
...in the worst-case Ontario"...[we could lose our booze] :D
I remember talking to a very experienced sailor boatbuilder friend 20 years ago in way DownEast Maine, about options for a "legal" head. One was the option for the locking Y-valve and the very small holding tank.
I remember what he said...
"You put that in and you'll be legal, but whatever you do...never ever actually use it."
If was a place of few people, twenty-foot tides, and my mooring was surrounded by massive fish pens with many thousand of salmon feeding and pooping into the water. Those big tides twice daily and currents of several knots in areas gives you a lot of water flushing action.
Just found this video of a family sailing on a Westerly Cirrus 22 in Antrim Bay on Lough Neagh...to the music of what sounds like the panflute or pipes...New Age...Old World...small boat...kinda relaxing...small boat...(they don't seem to realize how underprivileged they are.) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axXx4PadkDY
(the dinette makes an appearance) :)
Drain tubes cut, thru-hulls plugged, and yet - Katie floats... ;D
Only took on a few (under 5) gallons between plugging all 3 holes. The 'system' morphed a bit once I saw how it was working out, but all in all it was actually an easy-peasy job. Next time I will wear gloves, though - typing this with Gorilla Epoxy coated fingers. ::)
Standing by and monitoring the plugs for leakage with a Sweetwater Extra Pale Ale 420. 8)
Quote from: CapnK on April 05, 2014, 05:55:08 PM
Drain tubes cut, thru-hulls plugged, and yet - Katie floats... ;D
Grog!
Quote from: CapnK on April 05, 2014, 05:55:08 PM
Gorilla Epoxy coated fingers. Standing by and monitoring the plugs for leakage with a Sweetwater Extra Pale Ale 420. 8)
Careful. Up here that ale bottle is worth 5 cents. :D
When I got her, Tehani had 4 of those "pipes" glassed into the hull, with no way to close them off.
Two deck drains, a ice chest drain, and I never figured out what the other one was. This was in addition to three seacocks.
She now has NO openings below the water line- none, nada,, zilch, zero.
The deck drains were moved up to above the water line and fitted with bronze gate valves. The sink lifts out and dumps.
The bilge pump has an easy life :D
I was gonna mention- if the water hadn't been cold, a toilet plunger sans handle, works well from outside. Blocks water and water pressure holds it in place.
Just a thought for the future :D
Glad you "got 'er done" :D
Quote from: Travelnik on April 05, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
The Westerly 22, and the Nomad don't have side decks, and it makes the interior volume feel huge!
I almost mentioned the Nomad 22 as an example of a Westerly large cabin trunk (raised deck). Those Nomads are cool, and as you say, huge for a 22-foot 3200-lb sailboat.
You're right, Travelnik, it's the Westerly 22 that is similar to the Nomad 22 (designed by Denys Rayner). The photo sailboatdata used for the Westerly Cirrus 22 (John Butler design) appears to be a Westerly 21 (newer version of the Warwick 21, Laurent Giles design with his distinctive "knuckle bow") See photo of another W21 from the Westerly Association.
Just saw this Ariel (for sale on eBay) with a photo of the cabin showing a full galley/counter added to starboard side. Can't quite see if they just left the settee at port side, or may have converted to a dinette (as you would often see opposite such a galley in other layouts such as the Bristol 24/26 or Alberg B27 dinette layout)?
Doesn't look like a dinette there to me...
There was an Ariel, back when I first started with Ariels, that was traveling the West Coast which had a layout like that. I'll go poke around and see if I can find that thread on the owners site. I seem to remember reading that that boat was lost, though...
Quote from: CapnK on April 14, 2014, 06:58:18 PM
Doesn't look like a dinette there to me...
It was just the way the cushion was setup as a backrest facing the way it is that made me think of that--but you're right, even if the footwell is outside the frame, you would expect to see part of a table, if it was a dinette.
Found her - "Brave Heart" - thread:
http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?531-BRAVE-HEART&daysprune=-1
Teaser:
(http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=1083&stc=1&d=1060139589)
:D
I have been tempted (and once again seeing this) to make up companionway doors like that.
Same here Tim - for both. :)
What the heck, I have almost all the other projects done on her, might as well come up with something else ;) it was inevitable.
Oooh...S/V Brave Heart does have a similar galley...and a two-person dinette. Cool! :) As you suspected, Kurt, for the dinette to fit well, it had to extend to the main bulkhead (so the original cabinet aft of the bulkhead had to be removed).
Great to read that Brave Heart reappeared 4 years after it was thought that she was lost.
Those companionway doors look to be well designed and built. :)
Nice in port, or at anchor. Don't want them at sea. And then where do you stow them?? I'll stay with the drop boards.
I am going to play around with it. Storage would not be a problem, but you would want to go back to the drop boards for more security, so there would have to be a way of making them interchangeable.
While on the subject of Ariel cabin mods, I just found the link to Frank's thread on the Ariel Association website (http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1239-A-50-Revival&s=cddbba8b90226e389fb4cf29d9fcd595&pp=15) on the work that he did to his Ariel Revival and his voyage, that Kurt put on the SailFar'ers Trip Reports and Tales page. I had somehow missed this, and from first glance, there seems to be a lot of good ideas and the voyage there. Looking forward to reading the entire thread, and catching up. :)