Here's Tehani as she came out, after 3 1/2 years in the water- not bad huh?
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Blocked up between a Bertram 37 and a Westsail 32- looks pretty small eh?
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Some old guy hard at it with a flap sander-
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and a very good looking lady, dressed up like the Michelin man- got CHILLY the second day-
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We are happier and happier to be sailing a smaller boat ;D
Today I begin rolling on the coats of Interprotect , tomorrow the bottom paint . Hope to splash on Tuesday or Weds, weather permitting, but it's supposed to rain tomorrow.
Charlie, I sure do wish I had thos facilities and weather up here in Iowa, your boat is beautiful!!! Marc
Charlie-
Wrote this for another forum, don't know if it'll help you, but someone else might find it of value:
When barriercoating the bottom using Interprotect 2000E, alternating the colors helps a lot with determining where you've painted, but it is also very useful for helping you coat the areas around the boat stands. For instance:
The first layer is gray, since the gelcoat is white, and you can paint right up to the boat stand pads. Then you paint a layer of white, and leave about a two-inch margin of gray paint around the pads... then paint a layer a gray and leave a four-inch margin around the pads or about two-inches of white and two inches of gray showing...and then finish with a layer of white—with a six-inch margin around the pads—with two inches of gray, two inches of white and two inches of gray.
Then when you move the boat stands, you can fill in the pads and layer the paint accordingly... adding gray to cover the white square left by the pad.. then white to cover the gray square, and so on.
Also, by alternating colors, you can see if someone has sanded through the barrier coat when you're prepping the boat for re-painting. If there's an area that is gray or grayish, they've sanded through at least the outermost layer of barrier coat. If you had all white, you wouldn't be able to tell if they had sanded down through the barrier coat as easily—if you had all gray, you could tell they sanded through the barrier coat...but not if they've sanded into it...
Same theory as in ablative bottom paint. Excellent idea. Unfortunately Laura bought the stuff from her store and I suspect it's all one color.
But again, it's an excellent idea. Painting around the pads is gonna drive me nuts on this one I think. Epoxy I filled with yesterday hasn't cured- too cool. So I'll have to sand that tomorrow and begin the barrier coats. Puts me a day behind and we are expecting rain tomorrow. SO I'll more than likely have to pay for extra days >:(
Rather do that though than do a half way job- cost too much in money and effort to short cut anything.
CJ - can you "tent" the bottom with some sheet plastic, and stick a heater in there to make things kick faster? It's a bit more expense and work, but less expensive than yard/day costs - at least, it would be here... I know you've probably thought of it already, too. :D
She looked great for 3 years of floating on her bottom! :) She sure picked a funny way to tell you it was time for new paint, tho... lol ;)
Well, if the store isn't too far away, you might be able to swap a gallon of what you've got for the other color... :) Might not be perfect, but would certainly make cutting in around the boat stands much easier. :)
lol-it's not far- she works there every day. But she bought all they had in stock.
Kurt- it'll be cured tomorrow, and I can get on with it. Daily hill charge isn't bad- $19 a day. We'll most likely stay in an extra 5 days anyway- due to Thanksgiving commitments. I'd have to be DONE by Tuesday or Weds AM at the latest to splash and get her back to her slip before Thanksgiving. And they don't run the Travel-lift on Fridays, weekends or Mondays.
Wow - Only $19/day? That is a great deal! Yard cost is $75/day here for 'doityerselfers', and that doesn't include lift/splash or anything - just time in the stands. Of course, the Travelift runs Mon-Fri, maybe that is why... ;)
But that is a good price for this area - Charleston is even more expensive, and then most places there don't allow doityerself at all...
Quote from: CapnK on November 22, 2008, 03:48:13 PM
Wow - Only $19/day? That is a great deal! Yard cost is $75/day here for 'doityerselfers', and that doesn't include lift/splash or anything - just time in the stands. Of course, the Travelift runs Mon-Fri, maybe that is why... ;)
But that is a good price for this area - Charleston is even more expensive, and then most places there don't allow doityerself at all...
Ouch Kurt! Even in Sausalito yard time for the Ariel would be less than $40/day if I didn't by the paint from them $15 if I did.
It's only $35/day if the yard is contracted for work on the boat, but the labor charge is $70/hour, so that makes the savings go away really fast. :)
The prices I quoted were for do it yourselfers
Must be supply and demand - I would bet that there is some stiff competition over there, with plenty of yards. Here, in our quiet backwater ;) we don't have as many options. The yard gives great service, though, and they are kind when it comes to the billing. They aren't the type of folks to gouge you for every penny they can get. Which is vastly appreciated. :)
Wow, do we have this thread hijacked, or what? You'd think we were Somalian pirates, or something.... ;D
Actually no. There is the one I'm in, which is 30 miles by road-12 by water, away or two down south, 60 miles away.
Either of them allows DIY or you can hire work done by yard crew- your choice.
This yard where we are is charging me $400 for the lift, splash, insurance, rental of the pressure washer and 7 days hill time. They are much more comfortable hauling shrimp boats though;D
It's a pretty laid back place.
Have fun Charlie.... Make sure you get Laura a nice full-face respirator... :)
I did all that last year... soooo much fun....
Laura is working until Weds. I get to do all this by myself from here on in. She helped on Thursday and Friday -her weekend.
Been a long time since I had to do a job like this without my lady to assist me. OH BOY is it less fun this way!!
And I've got the full respirator from my furniture shop days, spraying furniture. I'll for sure have it on.
LOL... Laura's a smart cookie... she left the grunt work to you after giving you the materials... :)
Having two people to do a job like that makes it a lot simpler.
nice little boat now this maybe a dumb question but when a boat is on land is it really the full weight of the boat is resting on the keel and not the 4 or 5 little jack stands correct?? those are just to keep the boat from falling over.
exactly- the blocking is all under the cast iron ballast. The jack stands just hold it upright. Can't put too much pressure on them ( on most boats) or you'll deform the hull. In the pictures the jack stands are positioned where bulkheads are inside the boat for that reason.
Jeeez you guys are lucky ::). I'd give anything if my boats' bottom was so easy to work on. It's a swing keel that sits on a trailer. It takes a paint roller with a two foot extension just to reach the middle :P. Oh well, next boat, right?
Fair winds,
Pappy Jack
P.S. That is a nice looking boat, BTW.
Pappy Jack—
I have three hulls to paint... :) and a centerboard, with much the same problems as your swing keel. :)
Quote from: CharlieJ on November 23, 2008, 07:41:14 AM
exactly- the blocking is all under the cast iron ballast. The jack stands just hold it upright. Can't put too much pressure on them ( on most boats) or you'll deform the hull. In the pictures the jack stands are positioned where bulkheads are inside the boat for that reason.
Thanks dude
Repairs all done.
Three coats of Interprotect on, one to go in an hour. This evening first coat of bottom paint, EARLY tomorrow AM second coat of bottom paint, then two coats on where the jack stands are, finishing around dark tomorrow night, and we'll splash on Weds.
All the rain has missed me, and the temps are sitting in the low 80s, which sure helps stuff cure.
Sure will be glad to get this done ;D And I expect a dusty bilge after this!!!!
Yahoo! You and Frank are making me feel quite inadequate :D We are going into another few days of rain so I probably won't get the thru-hulls plugged.
Keep up the good work Charlie. :)
Ah yes, misery loves company, doesn't it. Two years ago I was going to sand the bottom down then apply two coats of bottom paint. I got all suited up withTyvex, resperator, gloves, etc. etc. After about one hour or so, I gave up. I hauled her up to a marina 60 miles away and hired them to do it. Oh ya, it cost a pretty penny :o but they did do a good job. I'm going to try to roll on another coat before "The Scoot" next summer. Wish me luck ::).
Fair winds,
Pappy Jack
Tim- I wrapped up yesterday evening, secured the boat, and as I was stepping into the car to go home, the first drops of rain hit the windshield. Rained VERY hard, but after dark. I've been extremely fortunate with weather this haul out. We only had that one chilly day and we were sanding that day. No rain at all other than last night. Today was 81 degrees, so stuff is curing as it is supposed to.
Tomorrow is supposed to be dry and near 80.
First coat of bottom paint is on, I'll get to the boat about siunrise or a tad after in the morning to get the second one on. Then around noonish move the jackstands, paint where they were, then come back at dark and second coat those.
We splash on Weds ;D Probably close to noon. And I'd crash Weds night, except we are scheduled to drive somewhere for Thanksgiving.
I'm so counting on a dusty bilge after this.
I hope all continues to go well, and take care driving. Happy Thanksgiving
Finished first coat of bottom paint last night just at dark.
Got an EARLY start today ;D But she's due to splash tomorrow morning.
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If that pic was an AM pic, then I hope that Tehani does not report you for violating union guidelines about starting work too early... ;)
I mean, I have picked up anchor that early, but I don't think I have ever started working on a boat that early, certainly not one in a yard! lol That's like against some Law of Nature or something. ;D
capnk-
i have. On hot days, that's sometimes the only way to get a decent amount of working time. Mid-day is sometimes too hot to work, especially if your doing epoxy-related stuff.
Adrift - I sure wish we had more of those (hot days) around here ;D
It's more about finding a day sunny enough to let the paint dry before... ::)
We got Tehani back in the water Wednesday of last week. Uneventful launch, but coming home across the bay, I found a new (to me) leak %&*%$#&@&!!!
This one was tiny, right where the rudder post tube enters the hull. About 4 inches or so below water. We COULD have ignored it, but we both want DRY BILGES!! SO what to do. Certainly didn't want to pay for another haulout.
The answer-
90 gallons of water in two drums on the bow, plus a five gallon jug and all our spare chain-
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From the side-
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Here's the boat in normal trim so you can see how far down we had her rolled.
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Got the leak up out of the water nicely. You can see the normal waterline from the antifouling on the outboard lower unit.
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Some grinding, some fiberglass matt and cloth, some epoxy ( and two tries) and we have a dry bilge. I'm hoping to never hear the bilge pump run again ;D
Tehani - kneel, girl, kneel...
GOOD Girl! Good Tehani! Now hold still for a bit...
;D ;D ;D
Good idea, CJ!
How'd you get the water back out of the barrels - siphon?
;D ;D
Yep- siphon
CJ...now thats useing your noggin for more than just a 'hat rack' ;)
Oh ya, good ol' American ingenuity...you just can't beat it 8) ;) 8)!!!
Fair winds,
Pappy Jack
Nicely done... here's a grog to ya for that. :)
Charlie, no wonder Laura loves you. Was that yours or Laura's idea??
I really think you justed wanted us to see a little of that bottom paint job you did. ;) Sweet!!
Hey gal- great to hear from you, and very glad you are having fun . Hopefully we'll be joining you over there sometime next fall. Laura has set a deadline- July next and we're done here. She's working now and stuffing money into a "cruising fund" She has a set goal, when that is reached, we be gone.
The barrels were my idea.
an to take my boat out for a bottom cleaning. I've only had the boat a few month
Charlie, good job ! Tehani once again has the look of a fine lady. I'm looking forward to getting mine out in the spring to scrape,sand and paint her bottom. Actually I'm dreading it but oh well working on your boat beats "working". I hope everything went well at the splash in.
Merry Christmas,Jerry