In my Watkins 27 I have a Yanmar YSM 8. Due to my in experience and lack of reliable advice I have a bad engine along with transmission.
I said somewhere not long ago I would search for different peoples advice and make a better decision on which way to go.
With help I can do the work and rebuild the engine. Parts around 600. Transmission to a shop cost to rebuild unknown.
Summer wasted boat not useable.
Buy a 9.9 outboard. Already have motor mount on stern. Change over from tiller to remote. Cost used $1800.
Would get some summer useage.
What would you do? Little to no return on boat if sold after fixed.
Personally, I would (will) go with the outboard. For me, it is easier to maintain and repair if needed.
There are also plenty of repair shops that do outboard repair for much less than diesel repairs if I needed to take it in. (The outboard is also easier to transport to a shop.)
I really like the YSE8 on my Bristol 24. I recently started it after 2 years, and it fired right up. I even started it with the handcrank.
My only problem with the engine was the head gasket. I replaced it myself at the dock, for under $50.00 in parts. Since then, the engine starts and runs great. I ran it up to 12 hours a day on a trip down the Tenn-Tom. I got an average of 30 miles per gallon at 4-5 knots boat speed.
I would fix the motor and trans, and use it. But, then I absolutely hate gasoline outboards.
If the transmission was good I'd rebuild the motor. If the Yanmar dealer had an idea of cost to rebuild it would give me something to work on.
Pardon my Ignorance here please
Grime or anyone i guess, what kind of transmission do you have? i know nothing about them, so i guess i should read up on the subject some.
David, did you see this motor in the Houston CL classifieds?
Seems like it may be a possible option for a repower...
https://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4589019597.html
Yanmar Diesel for Sailboat - $1000 (Kemah)
Model YSB12
Single cylinder raw water cooled engine
12 HP
Runs great.
New starter, new alternator, new exhaust manifold
And another YSB12 for parts.
Part motor does not fun, but vital parts and transmission are good.
Txt me on 832-461-[see contact info in ad]
Thanks for the info. He priced the motor to me yesterday and was to get back to me today. Haven't heard from him. Got mine ready to pull just need some help to get her done.
Quote from: Cyric30 on August 02, 2014, 10:11:04 AM
Pardon my Ignorance here please
Grime or anyone i guess, what kind of transmission do you have? i know nothing about them, so i guess i should read up on the subject some.
Joe there are so many different transmission I couldn't tell you much. Mine is just forward, neutral and reverse as all of them are. Mine works off pressure on the clutch. About all I know. The Yanmar dealer couldn't even tell me which transmission I have.
Text the guy last night. He said he would get back to me. If I don't hear from him today I'll write it off and buy an outboard. Put remote control on it. At least I've got something I could sale.
Got a friend from Rockport coming up later in the week to help me pull the engine. I'll just put it in storage.
Maybe I shouldn't start a thread about the mast and its roller system that junk.
It could be worth pulling the engine and transmission and tearing them apart. They aren't incredibly complicated as long as you're mechanically-inclined. I dug up a few manuals for the YS*8 series and used them to rebuild my YSB8's transmission over the winter. It was surprisingly easy to do, actually.
I'd favor repairing the inboard, as they are quite reliable and are very efficient.
The transmissions are just two friction plates and a bit of steel to press against.
No answer from the guy with the 12. Mine is coming out end of week. I'll waste another winter rebuilding mine.
The wife doesn't want to go any place on her so she'll go up for sale come spring. To much unhappiness and a dream shot.
Quote from: Grime on July 31, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
...Buy a 9.9 outboard. Already have motor mount on stern. Change over from tiller to remote. Cost used $1800.
Would get some summer useage.
David, since you already have the outboard bracket, would encourage you to consider picking up a used outboard (even with just a tiller, if that will work, though not ideal) as an interim motor so that you can use the boat on daysails/short cruises while you are doing the motor/transmission rebuild (or looking for a replacement inboard motor). For example, there is an extra-long-shaft Johnson 9.9 hp (w tiller) "runs good" for sale here locally for $250. At that price, you are likely to be able to resell and recover your investment, once the inboard & trans are rebuilt.
I agree with hanging an outboard motor on the stern and use the boat. Two thing. One I've had two Johnson and never could keep them running. Second is the amount of free board I have. Its a long way down once the motor is in the water. I've got a 5hp for the dinghy that I used to back us out of the slip with me hanging on the stern ladder just to get it started. Not something I really care to do.
We're headed to Rockport today to get a price on all the parts for the engine. I found a number on the trans and hope they can give me a price on the overhaul. After that I'll decide if I'll go with the overhaul or remote controlled outboard.
Quote from: Grime on August 13, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
Two thing. One I've had two Johnson and never could keep them running.
By far the most common problems with outboard engines...if they run at all, of course...the most common problem "keeping them running," is bad fuel.
On sail boats, we simply do not use the fuel fast enough, and outboards are far, far more picky about fuel needs than a lawn mower.
It takes a little bit of work and some conscious effort to maintain 'good fuel' for an outboard on a sail boat. Keep in mind, every Johnson shop manual I have read has said fuel should be less than ONE MONTH old.
Ethanol in fuel does not help; it hurts. It can hurt a lot.
Also, with the price of fuel, we are all tempted to buy cheap, low octane fuel. Outboards do not like low octane fuels...or at least the Johnsons I have don't.
I solve both problems with one swoop. Here, I can get mid-grade gasoline that is ethanol free. No EtOH and at least mid Octane.
If they are mechanically sound (no cracked head or any such big problems), they are incredibly durable...remarkably durable feats of engineering. But they need good fuel and that's where most of us either get lazy or simply make mistakes.
Not saying that's you...just throwing it out as a general comment.
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Second is the amount of free board I have. Its a long way down once the motor is in the water. I've got a 5hp for the dinghy that I used to back us out of the slip with me hanging on the stern ladder just to get it started. Not something I really care to do.
It sounds like your dinghy engine is a standard shaft length or may even be a short shaft. My little 18 ft trailer sailer has a long shaft outboard, and the Alberg 30 has a Extra Long Shaft 8 HP Johnson on it. The shaft length alone is 25 inches, which is a lot of reach.
Tool for the job...
How much freeboard do you actually have at the stern? More than an A-30?
A local 25fter I bought in 1984 and sold in 89 still has the same 9.9 Johnson "sailmaster" on it and runs great! The "sailmaster" had a 25in shaft, push button electric start and an alternator. 30yrs...same motor!! I agree on the fuel issue. while ALL outboards need good fuel....2 stroke really need it. ethanol is evil!!!!!
I've been aware of fuel issues for a very long time. Both Johnson motors 7.5hp had new fuel, carbs cleaned etc. Just don't trust the motors. Some people don't like Ford and some wouldn't own anything else. Unless you are a offshore sailor which I'm not and you want to go somewhere you motor. 10 days on the ICW from here to NOLA min. Your gas is always fresh. I put over 1000 miles on a Tohatsu 6 sail pro 25" shaft never a problem.
My outboard has a 20" shaft. It was purchased to do two jobs. One on the dinghy when the trolling motor is not large enough or battery not charged. Second as a back up just in case something with the yanmar went south.
From the top of my combing(I think that's what you call it) at the stern is 42 1/2" to the water. Adding a motor with a 25" shaft would raise the stretch to what 37". Still a long way down bending over the stern or on the ladder. That is why I said it would have to be converted to remote control.
I don't know what the free board on a Alberg 30 is. We have a couple Albergs here in the marina and they don't look like they have the free board that I do.
Knowing his boat Smollet, it would be a ROYAL pain in the A** to do it without a remote and electric start. And quite possibly dangerous
Quote from: CharlieJ on August 13, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
Knowing his boat Smollet, it would be a ROYAL pain in the A** to do it without a remote and electric start. And quite possibly dangerous
That's cool; I'm certainly not familiar with the model. Just bouncing some stuff out there as "food for thought." Don't have enough details on either 'issue' to offer much in the way of specifics.
Yep, the Watkins 27 has a fairly tall transom, and the cockpit extends aft to the transom and the combing wraps around and adds more height.
I did just find this Watkins 27 listing photo on...
http://sailingtexas.com/201301/swatkins27106.html
which shows this area, and a Honda 9 hp (from the ad) which has a tiller, as you can see it is pointed upward [and with an extension] to be accessible. I assume that it is a 25" extra-long-shaft, and that it has electric start, since the access to a manual pull start looks like it would be poor. [also assume that the bracket is in the raised position while the boat is berthed, and the tiller extension need would be more apparent if the motor was shown in the lowered position.]
(Also posting a second photo from another Watkins 27 showing the whole transom area)
Thanks for the picture, Jim. That is very helpful.
So, the wrap around coaming is really the culprit here. Looks like the hull itself is not atypically tall (or by much).
That outboard position does not look a lot different than the one on my A-30. The tiller points "up," and the top of the power head is roughly deck level.
But, at the end of the day, his boat, so it needs to fit his criteria. I just commented because it sounded like he was trying to use a standard or short shaft dinghy engine that would compound the problem.
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My outboard has a 20" shaft. It was purchased to do two jobs. One on the dinghy
Might consider a 25" shaft, then. It would help. There MAY be a shaft extension kit you can get for your existing engine. I've seen those referenced in the Johnson manuals.
Also, just another thought...outboards rarely do two things well at all, especially when those two things are as vastly different as propelling a dinghy and pushing the mother boat. That's just simply the kind of compromise that quite often causes more problems than it solves.
But again, your mileage may vary.
Quote from: Captain Smollett on August 13, 2014, 11:33:05 PM
Also, just another thought...outboards rarely do two things well at all, especially when those two things are as vastly different as propelling a dinghy and pushing the mother boat. That's just simply the kind of compromise that quite often causes more problems than it solves.
Smollett when your 70 years old and on very limited income you do what you have to do. My outboard motor bracket is mounted to the starboard side of the rudder and a little lower. I did raise it as much as I could without having to drill new holes and fill old one. There is still no way I would want to use the motor Jim posted the picture of without remote control. Its not that expensive to change over. Knowing my rudders if this motors bracket does not extend farther out than mine the rudder could get hit by the motor.
Quote from: Grime on August 14, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
Smollett when your 70 years old and on very limited income you do what you have to do.
I understand and strictly speaking that statement goes for ALL of us...not just someone 70 years old.
The basic fact remains, however, that if you are asking a piece of equipment to do something outside its designed purpose, you are going to get poor results.
It is ultimately each boat owner's choice about what compromises to make. We all bear the responsibility for the outcome of those choices.
Then why in your eyes is my choice wrong. My little 5 hp got us out of a bad situation when we lost reverse on the yanmar. Without it it would been hard to get the boat out of the slip because of wind direction. If we waited until the wind changed we would be there until the first northerner came down. It got us where we could return home. Always use the right tool for the job. Eh
Maybe this photo will give you an idea of my freeboard. Add into the equation a net that runs all around our boat. Its to keep our Yorkie on board.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zj7zDEsSl-w/U-zQKEVxYuI/AAAAAAAABGI/oQisAAbk3S0/s1600/IMG_1101a.jpg)
Gonna probably be my last post in this thread, but I will attempt to answer your specific questions.
Quote from: Grime on August 14, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
Then why in your eyes is my choice wrong
I never said your choice is "wrong." Never once said that. Quite the opposite. I said it is your choice to make.
You posted a problem. I offered input. It is a basic fact that THAT outboard is not the "best" tool for your boat. There is nothing to be defensive about. No one is attacking you or your choices.
Your opening post had this comment:
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I said somewhere not long ago I would search for different peoples advice and make a better decision on which way to go.
If you are having a problem with using your outboard, and I assumed you are since you posted on the forum about it, I offered one possible solution - get an outboard better suited for that boat. Is that the ONLY solution? No. Of course not.
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My little 5 hp got us out of a bad situation when we lost reverse on the yanmar. ... It got us where we could return home. Always use the right tool for the job.
Yes. There is and always will be a BIG difference between and "emergency" situation where ANY TOOL that CAN do the job and every day where one has more options.
So, in that circumstance, the engine you had was certainly the right tool for the job.
I've pushed a disabled boat into safety in high winds and crappy seas with my dinghy with a 2.5 HP outboard on it. At that time, it was the only resource available. Would a Carolina Skiff with 100 HP outboard been "better?" Sure.
In emergencies, good enough is all it takes.
Good luck with your boat and your boat projects. I really wish you nothing but the best and success in meeting your goals.
If I may offer my thoughts on your situation.
You have a good boat that you like and can and do use.
You are 70 years old and probably will get even older.
The outboard is a problem to use now and will get even more difficult the older you get.
Having a working inboard engine will give you more years of happy sailing in the long run.
You will not get the money back when you sell the boat but perhaps the money spent will keep you sailing a few years longer?
If you pull the engine and transmission and find a safe way to temporarily plug the hole in the hull you can use the outboard you have in an emergency and need not loose the use of the boat completely for that summer (or do the rebuild during winter).
If I may speak candidly, I really think that all this is about something bigger than the mainsail furler, inboard, or outboard motor. You've written several times about how difficult it will be to afford repairing this boat, and how you may not be able to recover various investments that you make, and even questioned whether keeping this boat is your best option. These are very fair points and questions.
This is familiar territory to me. One day my long-term partner and I had a heart-to-heart and agreed that there was nothing that we were doing or would be doing with the current 9,000-pound sailboat that we could not do on a boat that was a bit over half that displacement--and at a much lower cost.
What I finally realized is that, in part, I was trying to make a 9,000-pound boat with an inboard diesel cost the same as a 5,200-pound boat with an outboard motor. This is bound to be a very frustrating experience, because the immutable laws of physics and economics just will not let this happen in reality.
There is a good reason that Charlie (and others cruising on a budget) have chosen and successfully cruised a 25-foot 5,200-pound [base displacement] boat. If you gave CJ a considerably larger boat, he would likely sell it and continue to cruise on Tehani. With its outboard well, he can easily push that boat with a 6 hp outboard, and will never be faced with an inboard diesel motor/transmission rebuild. Now he even has a trailer so that he can bring the boat home to store and work on very economically.
Letting go of a boat that is too large to be comfortably affordable does not mean giving up on sailing or cruising--and may even allow you to actually enjoy and do more of it. We certainly did get much more enjoyment from owning and sailing a Cape Dory Typhoon 19 with a 3.5 hp (29-lb outboard motor) and trailer (that made us independent of any boatyard), than we did with the overly-large (for our actual needs) boat.
Obviously, I don't know whether this does apply to you, but I will put it out there for your consideration, in case it might.
Jim I know what you are saying. There has been a number of time we wish we still have out Starwind 22.
Yes it is bigger than mainsail furler, inboard, or outboard motor. It was not planned to spend the next 18 months working on her and still working on her. I new I had made a very costly mistake when it took 4 quarts of oil to go 150 miles. She sail good and is a strong boat. Has to be with a rotten compression post all running rigging flopping in the breeze doing 9.1 mph heal way over. No I wasn't at the helm.
Why did I want a larger boat? I wanted my wife comfortable and a private head. I didn't want to go larger than 27. The Watkins 27 is the beamist boat built at 10'. She weighs in a 11,500 and pretty smooth in a rough chop which my wife likes. Tehani is a very nice boat but for one person cruising. I spent 8 day on her.
Now the wife is very unhappy and I've lost the dream of cruising. This dream started when I was a kid. My mother(die in 1963) and I would talk about sailing around the world. These were the only good time I remember. I work on the ranch all the time. My step dad(die 1959) built sailboats in NOLA before WWII. Never built another one after. We wanted a little larger boat that just needed a cleaning and go cruising and enjoy each other for the time I have left. I still have cancer and have beat a stage 4. I realized thing would need taken care. No problem there. Its the total refit that has done us in.
If I tried to sell her today I don't think she would sale or I would be giving her away. I'm going to post another comment about what Capt. Smollett said.
Yes I asked for suggestions. True. No where in this thread did I say I wanted to use the 5hp dinghy motor as my primary motor. I had to use it to get out of the slip because my transmission went south. In other words I lost reverse. It was never planned to use on this boat except in an emergency when I thought everything with the yanmar was ok. I was trying to figure the best and most reasonable way to get back on the water. I had located a 9.8 extra long shaft elec start that would work with remote control. I could not get a cost to rebuild the trans. Someone here said they are real hard to work on. So I would have to go to a shop for that.
Yes I did get offensive when I was talked to like I started this boat thing yesterday. Jim-Me just suggested a cheap outboard and I stated I didn't care for Johnson because I had problems with 2 different 7.5hp. Then the conversation went south with a lecture on fuel like I didn't know anything. I hate to tell anyone how many gallons of 2 stroke correctly mixed fuel I put in my truck. One motor was stolen and the other I sold and bought a Tohatsu and put over a 1000 trouble free mile on it.
This is where my choice is wrong as I read it. Again I never said the 5hp was my primary outboard. I always referred to it as my dinghy motor.
"The basic fact remains, however, that if you are asking a piece of equipment to do something outside its designed purpose, you are going to get poor results.
It is ultimately each boat owner's choice about what compromises to make. We all bear the responsibility for the outcome of those choices."
Sometimes its best to keep my mouth shut and deal with problems on my own. This thread has run it course time to close.
Thanks everyone.
David, what about something like this?
From the Houston CL...
http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4577076473.html
"1988 oday 23' sailboat w/ trailer/motor - $1750 (lake conroe)
A great sailboat for the lake or the bay. She has a main sail , and a jib. She also has a Yamaha 4 stroke that cranks easily and runs great! She is on the lake and ready to sail. Trailer is in great shape."
There are a couple of these moored near my mooring. Seem like a decent and roomy boat, with shallow keel/centerboard for your bays, and being a trailer-sailer, would be very economical. Maybe you would also enjoy trailer sailing to those more distant destinations?
Specifications and layout drawings...
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=348
I'll suggest it to Lisa. In the mean time I'll send the guy a note for more photos. There is a Starwind 22 for sale but in Maryland.
With the ODay we could still cruise the Carlina's this fall. We are trying to find a place for Lisa to settle.
Great! Good luck to you. :)
I disagree that getting in bed with ANOTHER boat is going to simplify your life at this point. Granted a smaller less complex boat would hopefully be easier to manage, but I'm sure I don't have to tell YOU that it can be hard to know what you,re getting and even the best looking ones often hold all kinds of surprises for us poor fools who just want to go sailing! Maybe there's a well taken date of vessel out there that needs nothing and is ready to go, but I submit that it would be a chancy thing to trade known problems for other unknown ones and start the whole damned process again.
Just want you to know that I sympathyze with you two and want to encourage you to do whatever is the right thing for you, and to heck with convention or what is best. I think the key is to accept that life is too short to worry about doing things perfectly or by the book. Do the best you can with what you have and set your expectations based on what works for you.
A lot has been going on through my mind over these last few days. Possibly buying another headache, even tho it looks great on the surface, doesn't correct the problem I have now. I did email and text the person with the oday. Never heard back from them. That's ok.
Miss Sadie came with a outboard bracket for a reason. I just didn't have the experience to recognize the possible problems with the yanmar. Now to solve the problem I'm having I have to find someone that is experienced with these transmission. The Yanmar dealer in Rockport has no idea how to even work on mine.
Hang a 9.9 on the stern and go sailing.
I heard you guys made it from Jamie. Stay in tough.
David, One thing that you do know in comparing these boats is that the ODay 23 is never going to need a diesel inboard motor and transmission rebuild/replacement, which remains an unknown [but certainly substantial] cost.
I would argue that these known problems and unknown costs are at least as large a risk than any chances you take from making a change to a smaller boat, if you evaluate the condition of any new boat carefully.
You have estimated the cost of setting up an electric start outboard with remote control at $1800. That is the cost of the ODay 23 including a 4 hp 4-stroke Yamaha outboard. Also your 5-hp long-shaft outboard outboard would be fine as a spare on the smaller boat.
This Oday 23 may well be that well-cared for boat. Until you look at it, you don't really know.
A 23-foot/3500-lb boat with a trailer [and simple outboard setup] is going to be far more economical to own and maintain in general than a 27-foot boat of more than twice that displacement [with a diesel inboard]. It also gives you the option to trailer sail to more distant places that you may not have the time to sail to, as someone that lives aboard full time may.
Trading down from a overly-large and expensive boat to a boat half the size [in displacement] was absolutely the right thing for us, at that time in our lives. My only regret is that we didn't do it sooner, and enjoy more affordable and less stressful sailing earlier.
Again, from what you have written, the cost of your current boat seems to be something that you may not be able to justify for the more limited and part-time cruising that you have planned [and limited budget]. As Charlie reminded me in chat, [speaking of himself, after I'd used him as an example of cruising a smallish boat on a limited budget] those who may be living aboard and cruising full time, without other land-based storage (and expenses like houses and vehicles), etc., have very different needs and considerations.
As far as the seller of the ODay 23 not yet responding...at the price he is asking, it is unlikely to be for sale long. I have found that when there is a deal available, my best course of action is to go see it as soon as possible. If one asks for more information/photos and seems tentative (which you may understandably be), most sellers are going to direct their efforts to those that seem most serious and ready to buy.
Jim I understand every word you are saying. Question is what do I do with my present boat. She's not worth much with no engine. Wither it be inboard or outboard with remote. I would still own her with a monthly slip fee. With us being gone weeks at a time she would become like most of the boats here in the marina with mold growing all over her.
We talked about driving up to Lake Conroe to look her over. Maybe I did make a mistake with my questions. I did say I was interested and would drive up. 5 hours thru Houston traffic. With no answer from email or text why pursue. Why didn't I call you ask. With a 80% hearing lost and hearing aids in both ears talking on the phone is a night mare. I miss most of the conversation. Just ask my wife what its like if I don't have them in.
The additional cost of my boat was not expected. I did plan on some items that the PO took off the boat. VHF, new cushions, leds, chartplotter, bottom job, but not 16 day on the hard, dinghy/outboard. Not rebuilding the bulkhead and compression post because they were all rotted and the other stuff that needed repair or replacing. Engine because it burns oil. Now the transmission.
We do have a land base that is very very reasonable to maintain. We live in a RV.
There a many people out cruising that do it a few months at a time. People doing the great loop may take 2/3 years to complete. So with us having to return every so often is nothing out of the norm. Charlie and company came back to work for awhile.
With my lack of experience I made a mistake in purchasing her. Our plan as to purchase a boat that needed a little tlc so we could go cruising. Instead she was needing a lot of TLC an has ended up being a project.
All that is majorly left is the motor. I can paint the deck anytime.
What is the tranny doing...or "not" doing? What year?
No reverse. I would say the engine and transmission are original and that would be 1978. Yanmar doesn't even have part manuals anymore. They are not making the YSM 8 any longer and once part are gone that's the end of them. They use to sell a overhaul kit but not any longer. You have to order each part one by one. I do have a copy on a flash drive but it is to hard to read. Really blurry.
A friends Bayfiels 25 with the same engine had similar troubles way back...when manuals and parts were still easy. It was the "cone shaped" clutch. Fairly big job switching it out by memory. No easy way out from the sounds of it.
So sorry to be coming to this dance so late...
Might you be willing to indulge me and share what exactly the motor was doing (or failing to do) that indicated failure of both the motor and transmission?
I hate to flog a dead horse, especially when you have already mounted an outboard... But would be curious to know.
I have often encountered boats with systems that have been written off for dead, and at times they needed something simple (maybe as easy an a linkage adjustment). I wish I were there to take a look, it would be great to help you get her going again!
Of course I have a few holes in my gut right now from surgery, so hanging into a bilge to pull wrenches might not be much fun...
The motor leaves a black oil strip in the water when its at the working rpm. Used 4+ quarts of oil in about 150 miles. Someone suggested the exhaust mixing elbow. I got a new on made no difference. Not sure what happened with the transmission. The reverse just quit working. Motor is a 1978 Yanmar YSM8. The Yanmar dealer in Rockport has know idea how to work on and fix the transmission. They have never done on. Yanmar doesn't make replacement parts for this motor any longer. When the supply is gone that's it.
The outboard motor mount was on the boat when I purchased her. We were on our first day of cruising when I went to back out of the slip in Matagorda, Texas. No reverse so I put my dinghy motor on the bracket and backed out of the slip. We used the yanmar to motorsail back to Port O'Connor, Tx spent the night and yanmar motorsailed backed to our home base slip in Port Lavaca.
This outboard was never planned to use at any time except in a emergency.
When we got back to our slip I did everything I could think of to check. Linkage, prop, adjustments anything that would be out of the norm. Something had broke or given way in the transmission. When I tried to put it in reverse I had to keep adding throttle to keep the motor from dying as it went into gear. I could rev up the motor and the prop shaft never sped up. In forward it shifted in smoothly and I could get a good prop wash out the stern. This is about all I can say.
I am not able to remove the motor and transmission by myself. I thought I had the help but that fell thru. So I posted about what would others do since I had a outboard motor bracket already on the boat. Then this conversation went south.
Saturday was my last post here. Monday I purchased a Suzuki 9.9 extra long shaft, ordered the remote controls and will remove the prop off the yanmar and go that direction.
There would be know way I could think of selling her with no working motor. This is about the best I can do Faith.
Watch them holes in you gut. Take care
Have you checked the oil in the trans? It has a separate oil fill behind the motor. It should be filled with straight 30wt diesel grade motor oil. The motor also should use straight 30wt. The trans will not function properly with 10-30wt oil. My engine stopped using excess oil after running it about 12 hours a day for a couple days, motoring down the Tenn-Tom.
You can download a manual online http://sailingboatefaki.gr/Engine%20Manuals.htm
The YSE8, YSM8, and YSB8 are basically the same engine.
You might want to suck out the trans oil, and refill with Rotella 30wt before you give up on it.
Quote from: Grime on August 20, 2014, 01:19:07 PM
Monday I purchased a Suzuki 9.9 extra long shaft, ordered the remote controls and will remove the prop off the yanmar and go that direction.
Best wishes for the direction that you've decided to go, David.
Quote from: okawbow on August 20, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
Have you checked the oil in the trans? It has a separate oil fill behind the motor. It should be filled with straight 30wt diesel grade motor oil. The motor also should use straight 30wt. The trans will not function properly with 10-30wt oil. My engine stopped using excess oil after running it about 12 hours a day for a couple days, motoring down the Tenn-Tom.
You can download a manual online http://sailingboatefaki.gr/Engine%20Manuals.htm
The YSE8, YSM8, and YSB8 are basically the same engine.
You might want to suck out the trans oil, and refill with Rotella 30wt before you give up on it.
I change the oil in the transmission when we got back to make sure it was correct. It holds 24 oz. I use Delo 400 same as the engine. I have the manual on my laptop and also printed out all 197 pages. I also have a printed out copy of the parts manual that is very hard to read.
I've motor way more than 12 hours. In fact we motored 16 hour to Matagorda. No difference in oil usage.
Jim_ME Thanks right or wrong I had to do something.
Quote from: Grime on August 20, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
Jim_ME Thanks right or wrong I had to do something.
I did support that it was always your call. Just putting what seemed to be options out there. Of course we all should to do what we think will work best for us. Anyway, it seems like you have kept your options open and enhanced them. You can always continue to work on your inboard (or look for a reasonable replacement motor/transmission for the longer term) while you use the boat. If you should decide that a different boat makes sense, (as you said) you will be able to sell it quicker and for a better price with a functioning motor of some kind.
I love the simplicity of an outboard!
The very best of luck with your new motor.
Most transmissions have a "fork" in the shifter shaft (on the inside of the shaft that connects to the linkage). It is possible that one of the forks is bent, or more likely that your shift linkage is out of adjustment...
The oil problem is a bit tougher, I would suspect that much oil to be leaking rather then blowing past the rings. It could be a relatively easy fix, but would take an actual mechanic rather then a parts changer... A "rebuild" could be as simple as a leaking gasket... Hard to trouble shoot over a computer.
Sounds like you have a good workaround in place, very best of luck to you!
More fun with the boat. :-\ on using the new to me motor.
The Suzuki DF 9.9 is all changed over for remote control on the motor. From what I understood from the supplier the remote kit came with a needed wiring harness. It did but not for the boat part. So I emailed the supplier and ended up calling then. Why because in the email they told me I needed the control box and wiring harness. Total cost at $900.00
Lets see on total cost to change over to remote.
Motor used $1550.00
Motor remote kit $ 177.00 install cost $100.00 not included
Control box $ 686.00 Suzuki dealer said wiring harness will not work with out control box.
Wiring harness $ 211.00
Total cost $2624.00
To rebuild the engine and transmission would run almost the same.
Outboard going on craigslist today for what I paid for it. Boat will go on craigslist for what I paid for her. If I can't sell her as is then I'll strip her and donate the hull to Boat Angle.
I will not respond to the following.
We call some cars a lemon. Well what we have is a lemon in Miss Sadie. Its not because she is a boat and boats cost. Cars cost also. But when there is a never ending requirement to repair or replace then it becomes a lemon. I believe she came from the factory as a lemon. Some cars spend more time with the dealer than the owner.
I believe you are right to sell the whole package.
Not because the boat is a lemon (what do I know? I haven't had to deal with it). But because you aren't enjoying yourself with her.
If it isn't fun, what's the point?
Godot when one system is fixed then another pops up. There has not been any let up. Maybe she is not a lemon but has had a jinks put on her that's why I call her Pandora.
Maybe if I was one of those that loves to show off what they can rebuild then I would feel great about all the work I've had to do. But since this is not my cup of tea and we have never had the chance to enjoy her out on the water the cost of rebuilding one system after another has taken its toll.
I just hope that the lurkers reading this don't make the same mistake as I have.
I am not a superstitious type, but perhaps others will also be careful about naming their boat :-[ I am sorry for your troubles with it and hope perhaps someday can find another that will work for you.
It wasn't until about a month ago that I started calling her Pandora. We thought we had give her a good name after Lisa's grandmother Miss Sadie. When I put the new name on her back in March of 2013 I found 2 other names not fitting for a boat.
David, I don't know what your current plans are, but I just saw the ad in CL (below, Posted 3 days ago), which looked like it may be the same motor that we had seen an ad for some time back. Am posting it in case you may still be interested...
http://houston.craigslist.org/bpo/4897069132.html
Yanmar Sailboat Diesel Engine SB 8 - $1200 (north houston)
Selling a used 1 cylinder diesel Yanmar engine. Rated 7 HP 3200 RPM . Great shape. Feel free to come by and check it out . I also have one for parts. More info call or text. 281-830-8001 Pat
Also saw this CL ad (Posted 23 days ago), should you still be interested in selling. Maybe you are close enough to Florida for a serious buyer to come get her and sail her back?
http://keys.craigslist.org/boa/4869466347.html
WTB WATKINS 27 SAILBOAT - $1 (Florida)
Im looking for a 1981-1983 Watkins 27 MkII sailboat. If you have one for sale or know of one for sale, please contact me via email in the contact button.
And one more CL ad of a Watkins 27 for sale in your area...
http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4841595148.html
With a 15 hp Honda outboard. Looks like an extra long-shaft model with a tiller and bracket that allows it to tilt up and rotate to be clear of the water. (Posting for your reference and comparison, including the price w outboard, $6k)
I have put Miss Sadie up for sale close to the price of the boat you posted. Health reason now have forced me the sell her. To much Agent Orange exposure.
Best wishes with your boat plans, and especially for your health.
Hope that you will be able to get out on the water on another boat of your own, or a friend's, or both.
Fair winds,
Jim