S/V Liko

[Eggman]

First post.

After spending a few days with an high school buddy on his huge (70 foot) sailing yacht; I decided to purchase the below. The man who services my power boat had to sell his sailboat for medical reasons. Here's the add. I just made the last payment.

Capt Rich (former owner), Capt Cyrus (yacht) and I were talking about water-makers. I'm wondering if any one has a rule of thumb about it. For example, if you're going to cruise for 10 days of less a few times per year, you don't NEED a water-maker, or get a water-maker if you can afford it. How has a water-maker impacted your sailing? Capt Rich says he's never needed one or he would have installed one, Cyrus says, "get one if you can afford it." I say, slow down and let me day-sail or weekend next summer and see for myself. Again, what are your experiences? Maybe I missed a past thread about it?

1972 Catalina 27 #285       $10,000

AT A GLANCE

Outboard powered, dinette model, tiller, electronics and more.

I have owned this boat for almost 20 years and each year have worked on her improvements for more hours than I spend sailing her.  This boat is turn key.  Ready to sail and enjoy; I did all the work.  She is at a marina in ******** , MA for the winter and spring commissioning and launching are paid for.



IMPROVEMENTS:



Fore deck:

Furlex roller furling
custom dorade box with removable funnel base and ?blank cover? (for heavy weather), cover inside
oversize cleat in addition to the original
oversize chocks and strakes
new opening hatch installed over vee berth
bow roller welded to stem fitting (spare bow roller)
tang welded to stem fitting for extra strength
"U" bolt secured tang at bow providing attachment point for safety mooring line
two small winches uses as turning points to permit anchor rode to be lead fair, back to the sheet winch to raise anchor while single handling

anti-skid deck

Cabin top:
new custom sea hood with custom extra large mahogany hand holds

turning blocks for halyards to be lead back to cockpit
new double rope clutch
new double winches
aluminum window frames fiber glassed over ? no leaks
mahogany trim above all three windows





Cockpit:
new mahogany hatch boards, highly varnished with port holes
second set of hatch boards used for winter storage

2 custom ?cloth envelopes? for hatch boards

custom space in port locker for ?hatch board cloth envelope? used for hatch storage
cockpit light mounted near rudder post
removable port light for area behind sink for ventilation
removable port light for quarter berth for ventilation
custom horse shoe holders mounted on push pit
custom wood holder for emergency anchor
custom compass backing forming vertical surface for large Ritchie compass
new self tailing winches
new voltmeter exterior mounted near depth/speed, horn button
custom built recessed mounting for engine shift and throttle controls, (my right leg is no longer black and blue)
engine control mount houses outboard oil pressure indicator

Autohelm (self steering)

three tillers, one custom laminated, one with Autohelm connector

cockpit speaker for AM/FM

cockpit cushions

custom mount on transom for dinghy engine storage

cockpit cushions

weatherproof storage on port side

Transom/Engine:
extended transom and hull to provide platform and mount for engine
hinged platform against port transom that can be swung down to increase platform size (makes it easy to board)
recent Yamaha 9.9 four stroke, high thrust outboard
two new six gallon gas tanks strapped in lazarette
large gas filter/water separator
custom transfer gas valve enabling port or starboard tank switch-over
Lexan ports mounted in lazarette floor to provide light under cockpit

Mast/sails:

full batten main
new spreader lights
mast steps
lazy jacks

jib
reefing, (double) with boom mounted winch for tensioning outhaul
teaming light and anchor light
upgraded shroud chain plate-eye bolts to "U" bolts

?sissy bars? on either side of the mast for hand hold safety

Vee berth:
new foam mattress
new forward locker swing out door
oil lamp with gimbal
high intensity reading lamp with goose neck
unique lighting: multi colored mini bulbs, (three colors) selectable, dimmable
SS  and custom wood hand rail mounted on ceiling to facilitate getting in or out
large wood support trim on shelf to avoid items falling out
area under shelf cut out to gain storage with wood trim
additional access hatch cut under mattress on port side
access under vee berth gained by removable by lift out covers

vee berth speaker with custom control to switch to cabin speaker or vee berth speaker and volume control

removable ?head board?

Head area:
new sink
custom mirror above sink, magnifying mirror
custom shelf below sink
custom emergency flare holder
new toilet
new holding tank (9 gallons) with macerator pump and deck pump out

custom light to visually check holding tank contents
new hanging locker, over one inch thick maple wood front, make from maple science lab table top with oval opening rather than the original rectangle opening in original hanging locker configuration
custom holder for Autohelm
custom holder for butane stove
custom wine rack

custom flashlight holder

custom removable galley wood surface holder

Cabin:
galley:
new Formica in sink counter area
custom double fold flip up work space extension to right of stove

custom wood surface for ladder top (surface stored in head area)

dish storage behind stove and against hull, (dishes are in slot)
redesigned dinner ware drawer, larger and uses full extension
hinges

extra insulation around ice box
extra hinge in ice box lid to permit opening without hitting area above
new foot operated electric pump connected to spray head
second spray head for pressure hot water
holder for spray head over sink

manual water pump
new, larger sink, (actually slightly larger)
custom cherry cabinet above sink mirroring navigation cabinet on starboard side.
small door enabling access to area under sink
large food drawer, using linear hinges, under stove that can be entirely removed to use space a berth
custom maple and teak dinette cabin table (lowers to provide bunk)

chart storage shelf under table
floor area under table cut out and hatch added for access to storage space
custom wood cabinet that houses two, three draw parts cabinets

parts cabinet mounts under the table and against the hull
entire parts cabinet can be removed
custom oil lamp chandelier, two large and two small lamps mounted together and gimbaled
three additional oil lamps mounted on swing out arms

standard overhead light with various brightness options

high intensity reading light over table and over port settee

custom light fixture over stove with switches for light over sink, ice box and stove as well as night light, red lights for night vision and yellow lights for bugs

multiple custom flashlight holders

custom wine glass rack on cabin ceiling between windows
new bulkheads make from edge glued maple tongue and groove
area around windows covered with mahogany
inner vertical edge of main hatch covered with mahogany with handle to aid in opening hatch from inside
custom curtains on slides

custom curtains (drapes) for head and vee berth
new upholstery
custom bilge cover make from oak and maple with fiberglass bottom
food storage under aft dinette seat is accessed by hinged door that has quarter round shelf that swings out 180 degrees



Handrails:
on cabin ceiling
on cabin table edge
on compression post in cabin
on either side of companion way, in and out

on transom

on cabin overhead

two in vee berth

on  quarter berth ceiling

on cabin roof (four)

Plumbing:
4 (?) gallon hot water holding tank:
heated by Sun Shower water or tea kettle
pressure water to sink spray head in galley and valve in cockpit
ability to switch valves to use to pump seawater or hot water,

(seawater used for deck wash down)

Electrical:
three batteries
wind generator
solar collector
built in AC operated battery charger for use at slips
custom, large electrical panel with individual ammeters for monitoring charging current from wind, solar, charger and engine (engine amp meter not connected)
all four current generating devices can be switched to any of the three batteries
custom installed digital voltmeter mounted on binocular case, switchable to measure each of the three batteries to one hundredth of a volt
three LED voltage measuring devices to monitor each of the three batteries simultaneously

Electronic:
new fish finder

loran

hard wired GPS

color chart plotter (hard wired as well as portable), with custom sun shade

all mounted on cherry panel that is mounted inside of cabin and swings out into companion way for viewing while sailing.
hand held GPS
new VHF hard wired

hand held VHF

CB radio
AM FM cassette with custom mounted flush speakers

Quarter berth:
new fixed port light in hull
backing for recessed engine controls made of half inch Lexan providing additional light to quarter berth
reading light
storage shelf in aft end
hand rail mounted on ceiling to help in getting in and out

seat back swings out the way to help in getting in and out

Anchors:
emergency anchor secured forward of wind generator mast, (rode lead inside to the bow roller and outside back to the anchor for immediate deployment)
second anchor and extra rode under cockpit


General:
hull finished with Toplac, primer plus two coats
area under cockpit, previously inaccessible, is now accessible through    custom louvered door behind ladder
custom lights mounted under cockpit
custom fish cleaning board to permit fish waste to fall overboard
custom cloth "envelope" to hold hatch boards
custom plywood section to hold "hatch board envelope"
all new through hulls sea cocks
new automatic bilge pump
new Guzzler emergency bilge pump

[Captain Smollett]

First post.

Welcome Aboard.

I'm wondering if any one has a rule of thumb about [water makers].

My rule of thumb is that rain uses less electricity, is easier to maintain (at least for a mere mortal like me) and replacement parts are pretty much available all over the world.

[CharlieJ]

If you will be coastal cruising, or in the Bahamas, water is so easily available that it makes no sense to spend the money and space and power for a water maker.

I have a friend with a 32 footer and he has had the watr maker pickled since being in Fla.
We have only used our bow tank to make sure the water hasn't gone stale, or for a day or so when the stern tank went dry.

Takes a lot of electric to run one, and I for one don't have roomfor one on my 25 footer.

[Auspicious]

I say, slow down and let me day-sail or weekend next summer and see for myself.

Exactly. Very wise of you.

Even if you find your tankage is not quite adequate, 1 gallon jugs are a dandy supplement.

[Eggman]

Agreed!

Thanks for your time!