Pondering Faith's next haulout.

[s/v Faith]

Yes, it is that time again.

  Unlike folks in northern clime's down below the Mason-dixon we generally only haul when necessary.

  She sailied on her last bottom job for something like 7 years.  That was probably far longer then she should have, but I was in the water scrubbing the hull monthly in the summer and at least quarterly the rest of the year.

  The last haul out she got a good and through bottom job, but cruising is hard on all a boat's systems.  Ablative paint wears faster underway, and she went a long way...

  The warm waters of Pensacola Bay are wonderful for all manner of marine growth to take root.  I have never really found that great place to run her up on a sand bar and scrub as I used to do on the New River so easily (plus we only have a 1' tide here) So, in addition to what ever other work  I do I have to remove some of the local bio-habitat from the hull.  ::)

  I have removed the head, and may glass over the holes.  The sea-cocks are currently closed and have threaded plugs in them.. so they really are not hurting anything.

  I was pondering the issue of the cockpit drains.  These are currently about 16" below the water line.  I am considering the idea of removing the seacocks and relocating them.    I was thinking of placing them an inch or so below the waterline... or even slightly above it.   My thinking on this is that if I put the bottom of the drain right at the boot stripe then the streaking on the hull would not show much, but a failure of a hose would not be able to sink the boat as she sits on her lines.

  The lower a hole is below the waterline, the faster the water comes in.  Even just raising the drain would greatly simplify damage control in the event of failure.

  I am already planning to divorce the sink drain from the port cockpit drain (the OEM set up has the sink 'T'ed into the port cockpit locker.)  Because the original set up does not allow you to close the seacock I have never liked it. 

  For anyone not aware, the problem with the OEM set up is if you close the drain, the water from the cockpit drains into the galley sink... so you could actually flood the boat with rain water.  For this reason, the original drains were not fitted with seacocks.... if you lost a hose underway you had to plug the through hull.

  Of course any haul out is likely to require more work then one might plan on.  This is a good time of year to do the work here (other then the fact that it is a great time to sail) because the temperature is generally good to work on a boat without bursting into flame for the heat.   ;D

 

[JWalker]

I've been thinking about about the same thing with my cockpit drains.

I'm even thinking about closing them off completely, and installing some 3" scuppers through the motor well and out the transom....


I definatly don't like how far below the waterline they are.

Also thinking about plugging potty holes....only one I havent figgured out is the sink drain....but your right...if I put it through the boot stripe it wouldnt show and I could put in a seacock to close when I'm on a port tack.


hmmmm...

[s/v Faith]

I've been thinking about about the same thing with my cockpit drains.

I'm even thinking about closing them off completely, and installing some 3" scuppers through the motor well and out the transom....


I defiantly don't like how far below the waterline they are.

Also thinking about plugging potty holes....only one I haven't figured out is the sink drain....but your right...if I put it through the boot stripe it wouldn't show and I could put in a seacock to close when I'm on a port tack.

hmmmm...

I don't think the sink drain would need to be closed at all (except for security).  The current drain (into the cockpit drain) is deeper then the new location would be... the water in the sink issue would not be any worse then it is now.

I was thinking something small (3/4", maybe 1") would be fine for the sink drain...

[s/v Faith]

If you really wanted to be fancy you could cross the cockpit drains (if you went with the current location forward).

Moving them aft will require re-canting the cockpit sole.  It is currently canted forward to feed the forward drains.

[Tim]

Good pondering,  My CD Typhoon has crossed drains which also are forward in the cockpit, but they do have valves.

I have been contemplating the Ariel's drains for awhile. Going back and for between ideas. I have thoughts of moving the sink drain and putting a valve on it, but how would I get valves on the molded through hulls in the hull?

[s/v Faith]

Good pondering,  My CD Typhoon has crossed drains which also are forward in the cockpit, but they do have valves.

I have been contemplating the Ariel's drains for awhile. Going back and for between ideas. I have thoughts of moving the sink drain and putting a valve on it, but how would I get valves on the molded through hulls in the hull?

I don't really see a need for valves on those.  If Faith had not had hers sheared off and replaced with seacocks then I would simply remove the 'T' and run the sink drain to a separate through hull.

I don't really think the Ariel needs crossed drains.  She won't ship water even on her ear (I have had water up to the Saloon port lights)....   And the true test... when she drys out on her side, the water does not come in the drains as the tide lifts her again... (see pictures on the 's/v Faith' thread to see how I know)...  ::)

Crossing the drains

[Tim]

I don't really think the Ariel needs crossed drains.  She won't ship water even on her ear (I have had water up to the Saloon port lights)....   And the true test... when she drys out on her side, the water does not come in the drains as the tide lifts her again... (see pictures on the 's/v Faith' thread to see how I know)...

Good to know, apparently the Typhoon does, which is why the PO crossed the drains.

Regarding the Ariel's drains, considering how I have gone WAY overboard with the cabin remodel I don't really want to take on projects i don't need to.  ;) so good to hear you don't think I need to replace them with seacock/valves.

At this point I have settled on a mid-ship/athwart-ship berth with head and storage forward, galley and chart-table/nav-station astern of the berth. The berth will have to taken up for seating, but we have been doing that with the RV and it works well enough.

[Auspicious]

Tim,

I haven't followed your refit as well as I might, so my thought may be too late to have any value.

I'm not a fan of heads forward. I believe that the/a head should be at the base of the companionway.

The principle and overwhelming (to me) reason is to have a place to dump wet foulies on the way into the boat. An amazing amount of water and--worse--salt gets dragged into boats on foul weather gear.

Secondarily, and a distant second at that, heads at the base of the companionway reduces disturbing the offwatch when someone has to use the facilities.

I don't know the Ariel well, and haven't spent the hours I gather you have on arrangements for your boat. I also don't know what your long-term plans are.  I do have a knee-jerk reaction when anyone talks about heads forward based on my experience on a lot of boats. Heck, on one delivery of a very new boat with no where to put wet gear we rustled up a big dish tray of the sort some restaurants use for busing tables to keep wet stuff in. That worked okay, but not nearly as well as a head.

[Tim]

Dave,

I do not doubt your wisdom at all but given the size of the boat I do not see anyway of doing it.  the Ariel's salon is barely 7' long by 6' wide of working space. A head under the companionway would share the space with the galley ::)



This boat will be used for coastal cruising not offshore crossings. It is being set up with the expectation of being in anchorage every night. Even with that in mind I understand your concerns of dragging water in off foulies (Pacific Northwest is the intended sailing grounds), fortunately "Mariah" has a hard dodger that provides an entryway under cover to strip down before coming down the companionway.

[JWalker]

Cool Dodger!

Whats it made of?


In Madelyn Joy the sink drain is fairly below the waterline....I have a fantasy
about no holes under the waterline, which is why I like the idea of putting
it through the boot stripe.


With scuppers I would have to fill in the cockpit to run water back, BUT this is only two small rails
on either side, and after the last paint job I don't think that would be hard for me to do. I already spent alot of time smoothing the rails before paint! It would have been alot easier to fill them in  ;D

What I'd really like to do  is add scuppers, AND re route the single exit of the cockpit drains, that way I wouldnt have to change the cockpit at all.

I have a single two inch outlet for the cockpit.

[Tim]

The dodger is just plywood and glass.  I am moving my sink to be above waterline.
:-[  I fear I am hijacking "Faith"'s thread though so I may open a new one with the work I am doing.

[CharlieJ]

Couple of points-

Tehani has the "head under the bed" layout and we don't find it to be a problem. It's very seldomly needed when some one is in the vee berth and in a real emergency we have a bucket.

Having it aft for the foul weather gear WOULD be a tremendous advantage. We really haven't solved the wet gear problem.

As to the sink- Ours has no drain. It fits into a cutout and lifts out for dumping overboard( or just into the cockpit if the water isn't too nasty. Tehani has zero below waterline openings.

Our cockpit drains are addons. I made then 1 5/8 s. Inside diameter and ran them out under the stern counter by themmotor well opening. The bilge pump outlet is in the cockpit just over one of the drains.