I Brought Her home Today!

[solodare]

Picked up a boat today..
1970 Venture 22
It has new rigging which i thought was a great thing. it all looks new. I don't know what all that stuff is even called yet but it looks brand new. :-\
Two sets of sails ( Main and jib)  fresh Keel and rudder. nice trailer. New tires and bearings.
the only thing I don't like so fare other then it only has a troller motor is that there is no real interior. it has most of the pads, I think its missing one, but that's it. everything is just bare. no head no galley no table. The guy said That the 22 came striped down like that that only the 222 came with the options. it doesn't leak so i can fix up the inside i guess. (CharlieJ) ;) be looking for PMs
any way. Now alls i need is to learn to sail! oh, and a engine.

[Godot]

Congratulations on your first sailboat!

It looks like a pretty decent boat to learn on. I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of time and money outfitting the interior, though, unless you think this is a boat you are going to keep for the long term. See if you can outfit it for reasonably comfortable camping and go have fun.

[solodare]

Any interior hull paint thats not $90 a gallon?

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[solodare]

How important is this styrofoam?

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[Grime]

Here is a good book that would help you with lots of info about sailing. Might be the one the ASA schools use.

http://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Made-Easy-American-Association/dp/098210250X

Can't say what the Styrofoam is for other than flotation. 

[CharlieJ]

Any interior hull paint thats not $90 a gallon?

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For the last 20 some years, I have used Acrylic Latex enamel, in semi gloss. Both on my own boats and boats I built, or redid for customers.

Emphasis on the Acrylic.

The interior of Tehani is done with it. Runs about 20, 25 a gallon

[solodare]

Thanks Grime!
Thanks CharlieJ!
Thanks Godot!, I think I'm just going to do some cleaning. Its already pretty much gutted so might as well put a coat of paint on. Just to make it look good and feel some what comfortable.
for some reason the table is gone. t actually looks like they used it for the floor just forward of the cockpit. Idk, its hard to say what happen and why. 
any way, I ll probably try to make a new table. But I dont plan on going to far with it. Unless  I fall in love with it or something.  Really just want to lean to sail first.

So Grime, or who ever might know. The Styrofoam stuffed in the bow and stern bilge , Is that unique to Macs?

[Godot]

Some boats make an attempt at unsinkability. It's not unique; but pretty rare, I think, in non-open boats. More common I guess in smaller hulls.  I wouldn't mess with it without a real good reason. Unsinkability is a pretty desirable attribute.

[CharlieJ]

Thanks Grime!
Thanks CharlieJ!
Thanks Godot!, I think I'm just going to do some cleaning. Its already pretty much gutted so might as well put a coat of paint on. Just to make it look good and feel some what comfortable.
for some reason the table is gone. t actually looks like they used it for the floor just forward of the cockpit. Idk, its hard to say what happen and why. 
any way, I ll probably try to make a new table. But I dont plan on going to far with it. Unless  I fall in love with it or something.  Really just want to lean to sail first.

So Grime, or who ever might know. The Styrofoam stuffed in the bow and stern bilge , Is that unique to Macs?

As an added note- I  prime with Zinzer 1-2-3

[Cyric30]

I second Grimes recommendation, good starter book and it is one the ASA uses for there classes. and i know its not for everyone, but i have taken some ASA classes recently and in my own personal opinion it was worth it for me, helps build confidence and kind of puts all the reading into usable skills, just do some research on a school, classes seem reasonably priced to me. if you want more info regarding them feel free to PM me.

Here is a good book that would help you with lots of info about sailing. Might be the one the ASA schools use.

http://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Made-Easy-American-Association/dp/098210250X

Can't say what the Styrofoam is for other than flotation.

[Norman]

Nice looking 22, trailer looks solid too.  A fine boat to learn on, and good sailers too.  You can heel WAY over and take no water into the cockpit, I sail pretty aggressively, and not even close to getting water on board. You should have lots of fun on it!

For motors, mine had a four horse two stroke, which was completely adequate.  It was replaced with a four stroke, a swap, no cost, to get a charger, and lower gas consumption.  The weight is a problem, and I never use more than 1/4 throttle to reach hull speed, so most of the 7 1/2 HP is useless.  It bucks 30 knots of wind and 3 foot waves on the bow at 1/4 throttle.  Macs drive easily thru bad seas.

That Buccaneer would be a frustrating boat to learn on due to poor performance (I have many miles and nights on a friends Buc, he called it a TUB, and rightly so, for sailing qualities, but great overnight).

Your Mac is the same as the one near me at the marina.

With the styrofoam, it will float with a big hole in the hull, if you do not have a large motor.  My styrofoam is still in, but my motor is probably too heavy.

I would not do much to the interior except paint and a table until you have sailed it for a while.  The table fits on the dinette footwell for a bunk, and has two 1/4 20 screws down thru to fit in two SS brackets on the hull.  2 SS wing nuts to hold in place, plus a 1 inch aluminum pipe to hold up the side toward the center of the boat.  The top of the pipe should be tight fitted in an hole in a short piece of two by four, and the bottom end has a rubber or plastic cap.  Measuring exactly where the two by four goes is a bit difficult, as it needs to be exactly above the bottom of the footwell.

Happy sailing!

Norman

[jotruk]

Its good to see that you did not buy the Bayliner you would have regretted it after you were underway 10 minutes on one. Congrates on the 22 you will enjoy it.

[solodare]

Norman,
Thanks for the input! i will probably take your advice on the interior. It needs a new coat on the bottom so that should keep me busy. The guy i got it from claimed to have the paint for it but turns out he has this little small can. cant see it going to far but I guess its better then nothing.
  Same guy who thought it would be a good idea to knock a hole in the keel well to run a toggle switch through it. Don't know how i should fix that.
Hoping to step the mast soon. That should be fun! I here it can be done in 15 minutes after some practice?

[Norman]

Odds and ends on Mac's and my opinion, which varies from others.

Below the mast, on the center board trunk, is a hole.  When the CB is all the way down, you are supposed to insert a bolt to keep the CB down if you capsize.  Bad news if you hit something solid with the bolt in.  I occasionally put a hard dowel in, but mostly not.  Water splashes in, and I just put tape over the holes to keep the bilge dry.  Could the hole for the switch be the bolt hole?  Possibly for a centerboard up or down indicator, not much use.  Tape over it to keep water out.

Centerboard stays all the way down, all the time, unless you go aground, then sail gently until it is back down.  I run aground many times, as the channel going out of the marina is shallow and narrow, and the CB is full down even if I am motoring.  That way it is always full down when I raise the sails.

White sail repair tape is good to have on board, and it works well for covering holes in the boat, sticks reliable for a long time.  On old sails, repair any tears immediately with tape.  Old sail clothe is difficult to stitch properly, and will rip if stitched too tight, or stitches too close together.

More on the table, it is 3/4 in. Plywood, and the length and widths is measured from the recess around the foot well, with the edge toward the center extending to the far edge of the centerboard trunk.  Mine has a raised edge, or fiddle, which can make sleeping uncomfortable if the air mattress leaks.

Raising the mast can be done in 15 minutes, if you are strong and athletic, I was 20 years ago, much slower now.  Is the owner going to demonstrate for you?  Make sure you are on level ground, any tilt can produce serious stress on your muscles as you keep the mast centered over the boat.  I always use a short piece of rope from the jib halyard to the bow cleat, and as soon as the mast is up, pull the halyard tight and cleat it on the mast, then you have the mast secure until you can get the pin in the fore stay.  If something hangs up just before you are all the way up, take the slack up on the jib halyard, but not tight, and hunt for the problem.

More later, supper time!

[solodare]

jotruk,
The guy went as low as $300 bucks. Even having already purchased the venture i was very tempted to get it at such a low price. I'm already glad i did not. You are not the only one to say that it doesn't sail well. plus it needed a lot. I think it only had one main. No engine. the interior had a lot of issues.
I'm beginning to see that cheap sailboats are very easy to come by. In fact if I ever did go that way I wouldn't even give the money for one. I would imagine if I offer no money but would remove the boat he would have taken the deal.

[solodare]

Norman,
The hole could be what you described as the centerboard stay hole. it looks ripped though so maybe someone had run it aground or hit something.

Ill check into the sail tape. Thanks for the tip.

Ill have to think about the table some more. It has a 3/4 piece there but no hardware for conversion to a table. it looks like he used the table for the piece that goes to the aft of the table spot. I say that because that piece has metal molding around it.
The more time that passes the less I want to take on these projects. As others have suggested, I think Ill just try to sail it some and work with what i have until I can build a better idea of whats more important to me.

On to the mast. The original owner built this kinda cool contraption to step the mast solo. I of course will not be trying to do that only until I'm comfortable about how it works. (ill try to post some pics of said contraption)
Great tip about level ground. I would not have thought of that on my own. Very glad you brought that up! Thanks for all the tips and help.
Ive been on many boards that claim to have a nice group of people that are always ready to help, but they usually flame the poop out of every question you ask!