LETS BE A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC

starcrest · December 25, 2005, 01:32:57 AM

WHEN THESE BOATS OF OURS WERE ON THE DRAWING BOARD DO YOU THINK THE DESIGNERS HAD IN MIND THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIVING ON THESE BOATS YEARS AT A TIME FULL TIME?EVEN SO WITH THE INTENTION OF CROSSING OCEANS?????PART OF THE REASON THAT I ENDED UP LIVING ON MY FIRST BOAT IN 1979 (a 23 foot sloop) WAS BECAUSE I HAD NO PLACE ELSE TO GO.HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM"SNEAKABORD"? THIS IS A TOPIC WIDE WIDE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE THAT I HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE IN.THESE MARINAS THAT DONT ALLOW LIVEABOARDS.....THEY WANT TO SEE YOUR BOAT, THEY WANT TO SEE YOUR MONEY, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO SEE YOU......STAYING ON BOARD OVER NITE.......WHAT IF I WORK MIDNITES......

Zen · December 25, 2005, 01:54:05 AM

With less and less marina accepting livaborads, sneak-a-boards are more & more common. The lady I sold by Ariel to was one for several months. I was myself somewhat when I first purchased her. That was one of the reasons why I did buy her , was the potentual to liveaboard and just sail away if I needed to.

At a meeting I was attending once, I heard of 3 adults , 2 dogs and two cats, that liveaboard an Ariel.... thats tight. I doubt the grandmakers ever saw that happening, to thier lil sport cruiser...

Back to the sneakaboards...Yes many marinas do not want livaboards, they view it partly as low income housing, therefore all the elements that do go with low income, shows up at that location. At our marina for many years there was a problem with meth. shops run out of the boats...

Some Marinas say it over taxes their resources...

Others insurance... >:(

I heard horor stories about the Marina in Marina del Ray, CA and livaboards...

Hard to get a break...

starcrest: whats up with all the caps? ???

starcrest · December 25, 2005, 02:36:38 AM

I am using a computor where I work and rally have no time forPUncTUation.also I was at a marina in del rey too.Ilived in so cal for 15 years.I was at taHitI Marina.also i was in ventura county for most of the time.

Zen · December 25, 2005, 03:01:17 AM

Oh, I understand.
Sorry, just makes it a little hard to read...but... I can deal with it.
I need to type fast when i'm at work too. eg: misspells, the spell check does not work. :-\

s/v Faith · December 28, 2005, 08:09:58 PM

But Zen.... ;)

QuoteAt a meeting I was attending once, I heard of 3 adults , 2 dogs and two cats, that liveaboard an Ariel.... thats tight. I doubt the grandmakers ever saw that happening, to thier lil sport cruiser...

The sales litreature says 'sleeps 4 adults'.... ;D sounds like there should be room for one more right? :P

Zen · December 28, 2005, 10:48:57 PM

Well, with that thought , it should be just right then, 2 dogs + one cat = 1 adult
the other cat is the ballast :D

starcrest · December 31, 2005, 01:39:26 AM

you shoud see whats going on down here in south florida with the haitiens coming over in extremely overloaded boats.and the cuban rafters....its only 90 miles but really....iI mean the authorities really have their hands full here

Jack Tar · December 31, 2005, 05:29:36 PM

I think when our boats were designed and built it was to expensive to have a much larger boat. Some were designed for sea kindlyness, some were designed to coastal and some for lakes and rivers but the whole idea was to get us out there at a price we could afford. Next cane the consideration of use. Some had decent interiors for extended use and some were weekenders or day sailors. I realy dont think any were designed for extended voyaging or living on. Not to say it wasnt possable. It is but not without a few mods.

Zen · December 31, 2005, 11:56:05 PM

"I think when our boats were designed and built it was to expensive to have a much larger boat."

somethings do not change... :D

starcrest · January 02, 2006, 01:29:48 AM

and thats all I ever get from relatives and family members....I am not living a normal lifestyle,you cant cross the ocean ,even tho they know I have done so,thats only for big ships and planes....they want me to get rid of it.tooooooo baaaaaad

geneWj · January 09, 2006, 06:05:08 PM

Well, I own a 32'er that was designed to live aboard for 2 and to extensively cruise..After close to 150,000 nautical miles I'd say she has met the design spec.'s

starcrest · January 14, 2006, 05:54:44 AM

well I have to agree with ya....when people ask me....."HEY ERIC IS THAT YOUR BOAT" I say to them"NO ITS MY HOUSE!!!!!!!"

s/v Faith · January 14, 2006, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: starcrest on December 25, 2005, 01:32:57 AM
WHEN THESE BOATS OF OURS WERE ON THE DRAWING BOARD DO YOU THINK THE DESIGNERS HAD IN MIND THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIVING ON THESE BOATS YEARS AT A TIME FULL TIME?EVEN SO WITH THE INTENTION OF CROSSING OCEANS?????......

It is a good question Eric. I kinda think that many older small boats tended to be built to be more capable then their size would let on. Maybe it was because they did not know better, but there are fewer old boats(early 60' to late 70's, early 80's)
that were crafted just to sell. Look at more 'modern' boats, marketing tends to drive the design/construction more.

I hope not to pick on anyone. Just looking at one builder, Pearson, shows a shift to a more market driven boat.

My boat, the Pearson Ariel, was designed as the "Triton's little sister". She has a few design points that (IMHO) were nods to the market,* but by in large she was a off shore capable cruising boat, scaled down a bit.

Later Pearson replaced the Full keel, Alberg designed 'Ariel' with the lighter, somewhat faster (much lower PHRF) Pearson 26. The P-26 has much more appeal to a daysailor/weekender who may race in a regatta or two. They look very much like the Ariel, but sail very differently (I have raced against them). The interior is built with low production costs in mind (molded fiberglass, vice wooden furniture) the rig is lighter.... etc.

The market for small cruisers is still there, just at a higher price point then the avg. weekender/daysailor wants to pay (see the FLicka, or Dana by Pacific Seacraft....)

Older designs (like the early Columbia's) tended to be heavier, and more seaworthy. Even the earlier Hunters were built heavier. Maybe some of it was the newness of the media (fiberglass) but as time passed, builders used less of it, and tended toward lighter rigs and other changes.

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WHEN THESE BOATS OF OURS WERE ON THE DRAWING BOARD DO YOU THINK THE DESIGNERS HAD IN MIND THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY .... CROSSING OCEANS?????......

Sure there are exceptions, but as a rule... I think that many of the early designers did.

_{*the extra ice box lid, in the cockpit, was suggested by someone who wanted to appeal to the daysailor market, it is not in line with the rest of Carl Alberg's design... IMHO}

starcrest · January 15, 2006, 05:41:12 AM

just wait till you read the unabridged version of my 5 year history living on my ariel.it is a true tell all account of the times that were tragic...and indeed magic.its coming out in the a/c owners winter edition newsletter.the second half is the one you read on line.....its the first half......that explains how it allcame to be,,,,,,,and almost didnt come to be,,,,,,,that part......if indeed complete and unabridged as Bill Phelon has informed me.....it involves.....well its not for young children to read.Its basically a true to life modern day tragedy.steamy romance....and death

Coastal Cruiser · February 01, 2006, 06:27:44 PM

When my boat was on the drawng board, [cough, cough cough] I wanted to be able to sail with little or no wind, like today! ;D ;D I thought about you folks today, sitting around the home fronts. ;)

Pixie Dust · February 01, 2006, 08:46:09 PM

Gorgeous!! Glad someone gets to hit it during the work week. :)

Coastal Cruiser · February 01, 2006, 10:34:56 PM

Thanks, and the next couple of days will allow me to fire up the fishing skiff, and hunt the strippers . This second season is wonderfull this year!!!! :)

CharlieJ · February 02, 2006, 11:43:47 AM

Hey Coastal - PHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

The weather is GORGEOUS here and we're locked into that damned garage sale for tomorrow and Sat. But hopefully that'll be close to the end of this "moving" tunnel and I can get a line wet. And now I'm over 65 I get a BIG reduction in license cost too.

Really nice shot of the boat by the way. First one I've seen of her from a distance. All the pics you've sent ME have been from inside :)

Joe Pyrat · February 02, 2006, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: starcrest on December 25, 2005, 01:32:57 AM
WHEN THESE BOATS OF OURS WERE ON THE DRAWING BOARD DO YOU THINK THE DESIGNERS HAD IN MIND THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIVING ON THESE BOATS YEARS AT A TIME FULL TIME?EVEN SO WITH THE INTENTION OF CROSSING OCEANS?????

Yes and yes.

When my boat was built, (1960) the average size of a cruising boat was about 30 feet or so, now it is something like 40 to 45 feet. People lived on and crossed oceans in such craft. Currently, my friend who is cruising the Caribbean in a 35 footer reports he is often the smallest boat in the anchorage.

If you do not need all the latest gadgets, you can be quite comfortable in a smaller boat like the Triton, and in fact, with a bit of research you can have many of the luxury items onboard, if you are very space conscious, like using an iPod for music instead of a CD player where you must find space to store all the CDs.

Coastal Cruiser · February 02, 2006, 12:32:45 PM

Thanks Charlie, Didn't mean to be too off topic, but thought I would stick into the mix. Its hard to get shots from afar when the elements are just right, in most cases. But it was just nice being on the water. Now back to the regular programming.

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