Pearson Renagade

[psyche]

 I have a friend who is looking at a Pearson Renagade wth a new moyer rebuilt Atomic 4. He would like to know how the boat sails, handles in weather and would it make a good small cruiser? I appreciate your responses. Dan

[CapnK]

Hi Dan -

Everything I've heard has been good. One came thru the marina last year, a younger fella had refitted her, and he absolutely loved it. Those A-4's have a reputation kind of like the Energizer bunny, if they're maintained well, and fed plenty of fresh air. :)

[polecat]

Now I can't think of anything else.  Freshwater boat last 28 years, 6 coats of bottom paint - Topsides & deck painted 2-3 times, they didn't exactly wear out their tipping brush -- Standing riggin all original -- original head -- original electrics -- all original deck hardware & winches.  Couldn't find any upgrades at all - which to me just means that what hardware there is has stood the test of time...heh heh

There is only one thing that I'm not sure how to bring it up to snuff.  I see about a 1/4 inch droop below decks under the mast.  I'm familiar with this problem on some albergs but not on this boat.  I didn't find any soft areas in the deck but it's hard to tell with all that paint on it.  Any Ideas on how to repair?  How much should I allow for repair - worst case for the droop?  Very hard to find a surveyor around here who knows anything about these boats.

I don't know what it is about an old classic - they just call out for help or something
Jim

[s/v Faith]

TheRenegade &it's cousin the Wanderer are great boats.  I bet that the core under the mast step has gone soft.  Someone probably drilled a hole for a wire, or maybe a padeye for a down haul.... and did not seal it well.

  Ebb had this problem on his Ariel, the re-core job was pretty straight fwd.. I think he did not re-core, but just built it up with solid glass (same thing I would do).

Here is a picture of "Athena" from the Pearson info site;

[TJim]

While for starters, it's not an Alberg, it was designed by Bill Shaw.  That being said, it's probably a pretty good boat.  I've never actually looked at one real close but I believe during that period Shaws designs were influenced a lot by Alberg.  Probably just need a build-up under the mast step. TJim

[AdriftAtSea]

It could also be the compression post or bulkhead has a problem in the cabin.

On some boats the compression post is wood or aluminum and if the bottom of the post is rotten or corroded from sitting in bilge water, or the top of the post is damaged from constant water intrusion, you might have to replace or reinforce it.  On some boats with a compression support beam or bulkhead going across the cabin, it could be that the PO drilled holes in it to mount something, and has inadvertently weakened it causing the sagging.

[polecat]

Looks like the weight of the mast + compression is supported by two compression posts about 2"X2" - one on each bulkhead in the head.  There is a piece of trim on the headliner that is pushed down about a 1/4", headliner feels solid over it. Owner said he'd never noticed it.
No indications around the mast on deck.  I asked if I might drill a couple holes in the headliner in this swollen looking area looking for wet - he allowed that he didn't want any holes drilled in his boat -- heh heh.  I think Craig has it about right -I'm wondering what would be fair to take off the boat price for this repair - best guess would be about 4 sq feet of recoring.  I've pretty much decided to buy the boat if I can get a decent price.  There are alot of small things wrong with it - most not to expensive & can be spread out over a couple years while still using it.

[s/v Faith]

Jim,

  Don't know what the asking price was or how much money you are talking about spending so it is hard to say.  I find that boats of this 'vintage' are often priced with the owners opinions about maintenance issues taken into account.

If this boat were priced at say, $5000 I would not find it unreasonable to ask the price to be reduced by $1500 for this issue....  The replair will likely run as much, maybe less (if you step the mast and do all repairs yourself).

  However if the boat was priced at $2000 already, I think asking the seller to knock off another $1500 for this problem would be more of an insult then an offer....  I don't know the market in your area but I would personally be willing to spend more then a couple thousand for a boat that needed a repair like this, and that only if it were the right boat with other good assets.

  FWIW, while the advice of seeking a survey is safe, and often given I personally do not think they are always necessary... especially when looking at boats at the sub 5k level.  Just my opinion.

On eidt, couple other things...

 

Looked at a Pearson Renegade today -- Now I can't think of anything else. ...

;D

I see about a 1/4 inch droop below decks under the mast.....

  Others might disagree but I am gonna say that as long as the rig holds tension, and you are not planning to cross any oceans right away that you should be ok sailing it like this for a while.... plan the repair for a bit later after you sail the boat a bit.  The core compression may not affect much, it is xfering the loads to the bulkhead (and 2x2 supports you mention). 

I don't know what it is about an old classic - they just call out for help or something
Jim

  I don't know either, but I agree.  ;)