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[CharlieJ]

VERY little similarity between the build of the P 22 and the Weekender. I've built one of each and am currently building a Core Sound 17 for a customer. That boat builds differently than either.

The Weekender is basically a chined construction. Uses 1 x 2 chine logs at both the chines and deck edge. The bottom panel , deck and sides are all glued and screwed to those chine logs.


The P22 is a variation of the Tack and Tape method ( stitch and glue, whatever it's called by the designer) the sides are very temorarily screwed to the bottom panels and then the chine joint is formed via fillet and two layers of 15 oz bi-axial tape. Then the screws are removed, chine edge rounded and glassed over. No wood in there at all.. There IS a deck edge chine log that the deck and sides are fastened to.

The Core Sound is another variation where you build a "Butterfly" from pre cut panels, glass them together at the edges in specific spots, then force the whole thing up and closed, where you then tape. It's all stressed skin. Takes a bit of room to lay out the butterfly and pull it together.

A friend of ours sailed his Weekender during the BEER Cruise in P'cola 2 years ago. They were rafted to us during a small tropical depression that blew through, but the boat handled the more open waters just fine.

It IS an unballasted boat so you must be careful with it. The P 22 carries 400 pounds of lead in her keel. 

[Rockdoctor]

Sorry about any confusion, I am comparing the build techniques to that of another build by George Buehler

The weekender can be built using stitch and glue. Mine has logs, PL glue, and epoxy fillets as well as 2 layers of 10 oz tape. The whole works is covered in vectra. My build is overkill but I used it as a teaching tool

Now I am building the 26 and to me they seem like cousins when compared to my George Buehler.  Of course there are many more steps to the 26. I look at the 26 plans and I know what to do, The Buehler puts me in a chair for a while. I am not totally accepting of stitch and glue yet but the design seems sound and Carla at B and B is confidant its a capable cruiser.

[Coastal Cruiser]

So are you building the 26 from B&B?

[CharlieJ]

I've sailed on the P 22 with the owner. That's quite aboat. We sailed in company on a weekend trip last fall and part of the trip was in reefing winds. The P22 handled jsut fine. I personally think that Tand T is as strong or stronger than chined.

[Rockdoctor]

Coastal- I just started the Princess 26, nothing worth reporting yet.  I think it or the 22 should have been my first build. The weekender construction can be modified and experimented with, because of that , I find myself less disciplined and fairly cavalier in changing the design, although I am trying to avoid that. Few 26 builders are out there to bounce ideas off of yet.
    My Buehler experience gave my the philosophy that I am building to sail, not to sit in my garage building, so I am more prone to use materials that are local, and inexpensive, in order to expedite the building process and get her on the water. If the hull lasts 10 years, just build another one and appreciate the fact that you have sailed the last 10 years on the cheap after a 2 year build as opposed taking 10 years for the funds to be able to budget the build. There are trade offs either way I go.  B&B does/may not share that same philosophy as I am sure do other builders. But builders seem to be rare on this site, which is what I like about it. Few if any discussions about marine grade vs. ACX vs. MDO. I like to build though, if I hadn't, I buy a Hunter 25, and I almost did for under $20k. I liked that boat

[Coastal Cruiser]

Okay, I will not chastise you on your materials, and what may or may not be any philosophy of the B&B group. But as far as building small craft, I and Capt. Charles, and Admiral Laura can bounce some things off of you in another thread that may not make any smarts now, but will down the road may be of some interest, no matter what your plans maybe for long or short term use of this or any other hull... WOW, I guess that was a mouthfull.

[Rockdoctor]

Applause to you Coastal. I have researched designs, pros, cons, history and philosophy of builders. There is yet to be a unified theory of building so we all pick our path, and make peace with ourselves I guess, knowing we may never know. A new thread would be nice to bounce ideas around.
What design is your sharpie?

[Catketcher]

Howdy, folks.  Caught y'all talking about my Princess 22 that Charlie J. built for me.  I live in the Oklahoma City area right now, but spent about 40 years sailing the Texas Gulf coastal bays.

Pilgrim, my P22, was built for the purpose of sailing that shallow water.  And she does it well :).  I'll be pulling her down to the BEER Cruise in Pensacola this summer.  Right now, she is patiently waiting under a tarp for warmer weather.

[Rockdoctor]

Catketcher
   I think that your name give me the answer to my question, but, how to you like the Cat-ketch rig on your 22? I hear she is quick to set up and easy to single hand.

[AllAboutMe]

Hi all!

This post is a little late, as I didn't read all the headings when I got here!! So I have a few posts already. My apologies for not introducing myself earlier.


I sail out of Urbanna and Deltaville,Virginia on two Columbia boats. Primary is a 1977 Columbia 8.7 Widebody, and my playboat is a 1965 Columbia Saber, 33 feet with a 6 foot beam, that I restored in my driveway.
I also have a second Saber that is waiting for a complete restore, and a 1978 CS27 that is awaiting a new layer of glass on the hull. (Delamination don't ya know)

I'm late to the sailing life, 54 years old, married, do most of my sailing alone. My wife is okay with the sport in theory, but isn't much into it, in reality. She does most of her sailing vicariously.

My hope is to refit my 8.7 for some extended offshore cruising. I need to upgrade all my rigging, update my electronics, and learn to navigate. Aside from that, I'm ready to go!!
I've been sailing now for about two years, and I'm having a ball, both sailing and rebuilding. I've already met several of the list members, (via the web) and look forward to talking to everyone over time. It looks to be a great group, with lots of varied experience, and personalities.
Well, enough said, so:
Fair Winds,
Larry Wilson

[s/v Faith]

Welcome Larry,

  Glad to have you aboard.

I bet there is a story behind your user name... ?

 

[skip]

Wow what an interesting site. As a happy owner of a Com-Pac 19 XL, hull number 588 I'd just like to say hello from frozen Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. USA.

That is the "thumb" where going east a about 4 miles lands the sailor in Lake Michigan. And going west 6 miles lands the sailor in the bay of Green Bay.
What a wonderful place to sail out of.

I have some pics of the boat named Comfort and Joy and once I understand how to post pics I'll download, upload? some.

Holy cow! We even have spel check! Thumbs up here. Have you noticed?

Two words...THE + IRS = Theirs...as in not yours...happy 15 Apr 2006 soon.
Actually I'm done.

Well all most done. Q? What kind of movies do pirates like? Arrrh, Arrrh, Arrrh.

LOL skip. ;)

[Catketcher]

Rockdoctor, I like the cat ketch rig.  Easy sail handling with no sheets to adjust when tacking to windward.  The sprit-booms are new to me, never having sailed a boat with them.  They are self vanging, so you don't need a vang tackle.  If I was going to leave her in the water most of the time vs. on the trailer, I would make some wishbone sprits for convenience of sail handling.  You could then drop the sails into the hammock below the wishbones, kinda like having lazyjacks on a boom footed sail.

The hull design is very stable.  I've been out in some pretty strong single reefed conditions and never taken water over the rail - 'course, she is pretty high-sided, lol. Charlie's comment when taking the helm for the first time was, " Steady as a church.".  

I was a sort of doctor of rocks once upon a time (studied geology at The University of Texas back in the '50's.

[AllAboutMe]

Isn't there always a story? It's too long to post here, but it's a quick read, if you click on the geocities link, or cut and paste, whichever works.
Thanks for the welcome!!

http://www.geocities.com/radicalcy/

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/radicalcy/my_photos
Above is a link to my hundreds of on line Columbia Yachts photos

[hearsejr]

 hay S.V. Faith,
  I'm interested in any info you have. if it's floatying then taht is a big PLUS.. means there isn't alot of leaks in the bottom. lol.
thanks,
Bill

[s/v Faith]

Bill,

  Went and took some pictures for you, as I said on the phone last night this is a project boat. 

  The mast is still there, there are controls and instruments for an inboard but there is not one installed.  There is a bracket on the transom (broken) where an outboard appears to have been hung.

  The interior bulkhead is completely rotten, and will require replacement.  The chain plates appear to have leaked, and the rot begun there.

  There are 3 or 4 sailbags below decks, and a bunch of 'stuff'.  Did not look into them, they are wet, and whatever is inside has been for quite a while.

Google Oday 27, the layout is pretty good for it's size.
  There is an ice box, alcohol stove, and sink in the galley.  There is an installed marine head, and a separate sink in the head. 

  I will post the pictures this evening.
 

[hearsejr]

kewl thanks. I'll owe ya one.  I searched the yachtworld, for pictures. it seams that the 27'ers are really beamy.  I have already found a local supplier for stainless wire rope, but I will need to order the fitting for the ends. I have found a high priced outboard bracket too.....still looking a cheaper one, lololol.
thanks for the help
Bill

[svosprey]

Hey finally got around to checking out your site. Enjoyed meeting you at Neal and Darlene's dinner. Sorry I crashed early, I was beat.

Looks like you have a nice group of people here.

Hope it warms up soon, ready to do some sailing!!

Just wanted to say hi.

Ken

[s/v Faith]

Some pics...

[Coastal Cruiser]

Heck, thats not a disaster from the shots. Sweat equity and some time. Half the battle of something that floats by itself, as it seems to be doing, its already 2/3rds done. I wonder what is keeping any rain water out of it now?